Find some other tree to bark up
The weird Lemmy propaganda has been very anti Bernie recently. Corey Booker folded like a lawn chair. I want memes of that genuine failure that just happened. This is lazy OP, lazy AF.
Block button exists for a reason. I’m using mine.
The “Israel has a right to defend itself” line is pure misinformation. Here’s his actual quote, in full:
“Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people.”
Eh seems like this is just a lazy repost not something intentional or spammy. Your full quote probably straitened OP out.
You’re free to use your block button however you choose. To me this looks like a troll intentionally spreading misinformation. I have little benefit of the doubt left to give out to people posting on the internet
Yeah this guy posts his lunch. He’s just a tankie that fell for a pretty meme
That doesn’t make them not a troll spreading misinformation. My requirements for blocking are not “literal bot account”. Again, you are free to make your own choices about how to interact with the internet
"the ‘israel has a right to defend itself’ line is pure misinformation, he actually said ‘israel has a right to defend itself’ "
incredible stuff from the brightest minds here on Lemmy
against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people."
If you look closely, you’ll find there actually are more words that follow. Keep reading.
He did not say they “have” a right to defend themself, but “had” a right to defend themself against a specific event that occurred. He also makes clear that it is not a valid justification to go to war against all of Palestine.
What issue do you have with his statement, exactly?
Who are Hamas, how did they come to be and what are they doing? What did they do on the 7th of October, 2023? Why does a settler-colonialist entity have the right to defend itself in this given context? Does it have the right on other contexts? Does it not, and if not, what does that change? Do you recognize what you are defending by virtue of your hyper-examining of a statement that doesn’t change its meaning even after the hyper-examination?
Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have a right to do, in my view, is to kill 12,000 people in six, seven weeks, two-thirds of whom are women and children.
“Israel has the right to defend itself and go to war with Hamas, who started this whole situation,” Sanders said on the Senate floor. “Israel does not have the right to go to war with the entire Palestinian people … And sadly that is what is happening right now.”
From the same source:
“The resolution brought forward by Sen. Sanders is little more than performative left-wing politics,” the Kentucky Republican said. “It is not, as our colleague would suggest, about authorizing a report on aid to Israel. It’s not even about human rights. It’s about tying the hands of a close ally locked in a necessary battle against savage terrorists.”
Team Red, the brother to Team Blue in its shared interest in imperialism, can smell his bullshit from a mile away and have no problem pointing out using non-euphemistic terms that are a reflection of how they really think about Palestine and Palestinians, the last question is, why are you struggling with this?
For as long as these questions remain unanswered truthfully, reality will be very hard to grasp for you.
Reading a full sentence is “hyper-examination” lmaoooooo okie dokie
But questioning the definiton of every word of it when it is plainly obvious isn’t hyper-examination 😂😂
Thanks for providing more examples of his consistent stance on this for me?? Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?
Your “erm, akshually”-esque point makes complete sense when you don’t consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. It’s not an opinion, there’s nothing to “agree” or “disagree” with.
Now quit squirming and answer each and every single question posed. Or what, you wanna pass on the opportunity to show the 10 other people reading this thread how much you understand the subject, since you libs love to tout “nuance” so much when all you do is play semantics?
Interesting. I mean, I’m sure Bernie has faults but I don’t really see the point in attacking someone who created and is holding the only tent pole for, frankly, a reasonable middle of the road candidate (if we view him in comparison to the rest of the sane world).
I get giving shit to Corey Booker. People are gray. I can list a handful of things that Corey has done lately that fit this meme.
I honestly don’t even know what this meme is referring to maybe I’m out of the loop.
But I agree with you, attacking Bernie isn’t the way. Reeks of agent provocateur.My guess is it’s a fresh wave of propaganda to wedge the progressives. What’s new.
People don’t have to be perfect for us to join the cause and make it better. Don’t fall for it kids. We only get out of this if we ignore this bullshit and link arms.
Ps: and look, I get it if Bernie isn’t left enough for some of you. That’s ok to feel that way and it’s probably true for a good lot of you. But attacking him ain’t gonna solve the massive fuckstorm we are collectively going to go through. We either quit bullshit like this or die from factionalization. Like every other movement has in the past 95 years.
Sigh. I usually have a personal rule about getting into arguments on the internet but I have no self control today apparently. I’m not even american but this comment missed the point so spectacularly, I feel the need to reply. Not as an attack on the person I am replying to, but almost as an academic exercise…
Interesting. I mean, I’m sure Bernie has faults but I don’t really see the point in attacking someone who created and is holding the only tent pole for, frankly, a reasonable middle of the road candidate (if we view him in comparison to the rest of the sane world).
I belive the message of the meme is that Bernie is doing harm but accumulating support as a more leftwing senator and then failing to actually take any meaningful stance. When people put hope into a member of the establishment that exists to uphold the current system at all costs, they give themselves a pat on the back, consider the job done, and fail to look at other possibilities which would lead to their actual liberation. The idea that he serves to “hold the tent pole” for a middle of the road candidate is not logical because in practice he is no different than the rest of the DNC.
But I agree with you, attacking Bernie isn’t the way. Reeks of agent provocateur.
My guess is it’s a fresh wave of propaganda to wedge the progressives. What’s new.
I don’t understand how this could in any way be compared to an agent provocateur, but I suppose what is meant is sowing discord more than the more literal meaning. Overall, I agree. This meme is meant to point out that Bernie is actively harmful to liberation of the american people and is meant to ask people to wedge from the “progressives” who seek polite imperialism.
People don’t have to be perfect for us to join the cause and make it better. Don’t fall for it kids. We only get out of this if we ignore this bullshit and link arms.
I don’t disagree with this statement but the OP isn’t attacking Bernie for being imperfect but pointing out that this is by design.
Ps: and look, I get it if Bernie isn’t left enough for some of you. That’s ok to feel that way and it’s probably true for a good lot of you. But attacking him ain’t gonna solve the massive fuckstorm we are collectively going to go through. We either quit bullshit like this or die from factionalization. Like every other movement has in the past 95 years.
Supporting the DNC isn’t going to fix your country either. There is no path to liberation within your current system. Good luck tho ✌️
I think the biggest reason Bernie gets more hate from the Left is because in many ways people were radicalized by him, and then outrgrew him. He’s disappointing. He did a good job of getting many liberals to adopt more progressive views, but he will constantly fold because that’s all he can do with the strategy he takes. Electoralism doesn’t work, and those radicalized by Bernie increasingly see that and feel betrayed.
There are also those that weren’t radicalized by Bernie, and thus always saw him as a sheepdog for the Empire.
Yes, I appreciate that Bernie moved me further left than I was already. Although, if I had more political consciousness before Bernie arrived on the scene, that shift would have happened irregardless. I dropped out of politics for about a good decade (after being disillusioned with Obama’s first term) and he got me back thinking that a real progressive had a shot.
But after the last ten years, it’s quite evident that the progressive wing of the Dems are merely a pressure release valve, same that the Dems are for the Republicans. It just keeps people endlessly mired within the constraints of a system that will not move leftward no matter the consequences of not doing so.
After reading enough Marxist literature, it’s clear Marx was right, and that only a revolution ending in the dismantling of the current system and installation of a worker’s controlled one, will create any meaningful and lasting change for the working classes.
Yep, the entire system is built to give the illusion that it’s capable of change, while giving all of the reigns to Capital.
A fantastic book covering the American political system, is “Democracy Inc” by Sheldon S. Wolin, which wrote about how the system is constructed to give the semblance of democratic participation but, is in fact, what he terms a “managed democracy”, in which the levers of the democratic processes are manipulated to a minute degree. He wrote this book in ~2006, I believe, which just goes to show how long this horse and pony show has been going on for (probably FAR longer).
It’s been going on since the conception of the US Electoral system, that’s what it’s been designed to do from the beginning.
He’s quite literally alone in the senate. He cannot do anything do himself, that’s not how a Republic works.
I understand that his lack of success is due to the way the US government works. My point is that that’s the primary impedement for him, trying to work with a system designed against change, rather than trying to undermine that very system.
What makes you think that would be any more successful?
The fact that it’s been the primary strategy for achieving genuine positive change against the will of the ruling vlass for as long as class society has existed.
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How on earth am I the lazy one here? You did literally nothing, why don’t you make that shitty meme and post it if you want it so bad
You reposted someone else’s lazy propaganda. Which is intellectually lazy on your part. The rest of the Israel quote is above and that by it’s self should embarrass you if you’re genuine.
Sorry you love politicians and can’t see or laugh at the sad truth of the capitalist shit hole empire. The only embarrassing thing here here is the loser who goes on to lemmy to karen on memes.
You’re ratio’d 1:2+ on Lemmy.ml. Call me a loser when you post lonely pictures of your lunch. And insist on taking quotes as fragments like a fox news viewer…
AAhahahahahahahahaha like I give a fuck about Lemmy ratios, thanks for taking the time to view my profile, it is Friday and that is how you spent it, loser. I would never click yours or care what you think about anything. You are the least worthwhile person who has ever messaged me here. Why don’t you go study the votes some more that I don’t even bother to federate to my instance for the rest of your night. You’re on an anarchist instance and are defending a politician lol. God you are a pathetic fuck.
Yet you respond with a defensive wall.
Chill out, treat yourself to some beef wellington and consider that perhaps, context might be important.
This isn’t about loving politicians this is about you being a fuckin idiot spreading literal lies and misinformation about them.
The only fucking idiot is you who keeps writing to me as if you had anything worthwhile to say. Delete your account. No one would miss you.
Wow, you’re easily triggered. Don’t post if you’re going to whine about getting replied to
The quote thing has been aptly noted by another user here already, actually. Have a look, it’ll knock your lib socks right off:
https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18359532
Here’s another instance of Bernie saying the quote:
Israel has a right to defend itself, […]
Anything before or after that quote is to be understood as pure pearl-clutching/handwringing from a both-sideser.
Which part of the image is wrong (which by the looks of it, you’re conflating “wrong”/“incorrect” with the word “propaganda” ) or “intellectually lazy”, again?
Nuance. You’ll likely never understand the word but others find it important. Your post history made me laugh though so thanks lol
Ok, let’s talk nuance since you libs love to terminate your thinking process before it even started. I raise the same questions to you as I did another user:
“Who are Hamas and how did they come to be?” is the question he was too lazy to hyper link. The answer! A Wikipedia page argument essentially.
I’m aware. You aren’t making the point you think you’re making.
Making the meme was hardly an achievement, since you used AI
I did nothing of the sort, I stole this from elsewhere
The truth hurts too much for you eh?
The AI is what hurts, mostly.
The AI is as lazy as Bernie Sanders is about actually changing anything
Okay. Just fyi, you using AI forces me to assume you don’t care enough about whatever issue you have with the guy to put in the effort.
Sounds like a you problem
My opinion of you is definitely my problem, true. You did seem interested, based on the fact that you posted in a public place, but I suppose that was an error on my part. Good day, sir/ma’am (genderneutral).
I’m interested in making fun of politicians, maybe get someone to pressure him to not be a sheepdog. Not you or your opinions on me or AI
I was kind of hoping this would be like something with substance. But ok. If you want to change anyone’s mind Justin Timberlake isn’t the way. I don’t know why you’d work against yourself here.
I don’t owe you anything. I hate Americans and I hate politicians and Bernie Sanders is both. The link was just a part of the song where he says cry me a river, as in I don’t care that I should find some other tree to bark up
What do you mean by “is both”? I’m not just American. You’re making a lot of assumptions.
No one made a meme about you? No one is talking about you or cares about who you are or where you are from.
We’re talking about Bernie Sanders. He is both an American and a politician. Maybe work on your reading and English comprehension before you get mad about memes.
“If we the voters can kick this football, then the Dems will move left”
no way, bernie is actually based??
(Though to be honest, I don’t get Bernie hate that much - sure, he’s a bourgeoisie liberal and the perception around him being some revolutionary socialist is just outright false, but he lowkey might be the only ‘sane’ liberal out there in the US)
He is one of 100 members of congress that is responsible for running a capitalist empire
You are really, REALLY detached from reality, aren’t you?
No one cares about what you think
Tankie or liberal ? Who wants to place bets ?
Anarchists don’t like politicians, sorry to break it to you. The US government is a capitalist empire and he is one of 100 people who manage the oppression.
Go attack true establishment like Pelosi McConnell Schumer etc… instead you attacked a guy trying to break apart oligarchy and champion the working class… you’re a fool and a kid
Liberal that will be blamed as a tankie
Uhhhh republican?
Most people rejected OP’s message. They hated him because he told the truth.
haven’t seen a single source so far for any claims, other then a justin timberlake clip disguised as a source
It wasn’t a source ore disguised as one? He said bark up another tree and that is a link to where Justin asks you to cry about it. Bernie Sanders is one of 100 members of congress who are responsible for managing capitalism.
