I’m betting on balkanization.
synergy between multiple, simultaneous ecological, energy and economic crises – what’s now fashionably called the ‘polycrisis’ – would, without systemic transformation, drive processes of state-militarisation and a shift to authoritarian control as incumbents seek to shore-up power and profits against the forces of disruption and destabilisation
This is the key to collapse. Incumbents is euphemism for oligarchy. Militarism and oil oligarchy/media always wins at democracy. When every other oligarch sides with them, then fascism is certain. Biden was most zionist neocon warmongering democrat chosen to replace the disaster of Trump 45. Biden’s very slight pushback against the rich, was enough to get the rabid anti trans/immigrant fan base to go dedicated oligarchy, and money+media BSing people into Trump being better for economy. The Ukraine war is what lost it for Harris/Biden. Israel genocide was just more proof that US empire is complete piece of shit and not worth saving, but oil enrichment from Ukraine war, and extreme pushback they could fund against any human sustainability, combined with left being all in on war on Russia, for the mosts oil oligarchy enrichment, and inflation complaints, DNC all in on most zionist candidate, and the end was sealed.
That all human and national sustainability can never be prioritized over war means democracy can never achieve it. Pillaging the country into collapse always has a profit model. Human and national sustainability as a Maslow’s hierarchy relevant concern, must be derailed if it means avoiding any constraints on US oligarchy, or for US empire colonies, constraints on US empire sycophancy.
There is never a possibility of a good outcome from democracy. Either things get worse, or progress threatens all of the oligarchy to make sure things feel worse so that worst candidate gets elected. Trump falling out of a window, or being put in military jail waiting trials would have been better for progress and dare I say democracy itself. Nationalizing major oil companies with 0 compensation to shareholders would have put oligarchy in check, and eliminate their lobbying power. SCOTUS saying that money is speech means that money is terrorism and traitrous disinformation advancing money’s interests.
While non CIA devoted democracies and other nations that have been collectively called authoritarian have done better than US colonies economically over the last 15 years, with leadership from Russia, China, and India, that doesn’t mean it is the perfect governance to aspire to.
Liquid democracy is oligarchy proof. Freedom dividends/UBI disempowers the state while achieving high growth in prosperity. Corruption of information/media, and the interests of evil make people who can’t understand what is BS, fall for it, and vote for collapse, and accept game being rigged for it.
Cold war followed by being the joke of the world forever?
Tanks firing on the white house?
Is Boris Yeltsin still alive? Can we get him to stand on a tank again?
it was slow collapse much like the USSR, have been going on since republican started taking over election rhetoric.
Just for fun I decided to make a map of what I think a post Union American might look like
- Free America: Collection of Liberal forces mostly backed by California, they have become so successful that they conquered traditionally conservative territory
- Republic of Texas: Self explanatory, undemocratic Oligarchy and relatively successful
- Union of American States: Loose union of agricultural states, highly unstable. Each state basically acts in their own intrests at the expense of the union.
- United Confederacy of America: Ruled by a strongman dictator, economically semi-liberal, politically authoritarian, religiously fundamentalist (under the new United Church of America). Contains elements of Fascism, oligarchy, theocracy, classical fascism, liberalism, and corporatism. United States of America: Compromise centrist Democrat attempts to reconsolidate the nation, he fails. Whats left of the US is just shadowy forces consisting of the military (or parts of it), corporations, intelligence, and unkown government personal. Nobody knows who the president is, nobody knows whos in the senate, all people know is that resistance is illegal and so is resisting. They have no clear goals other than unification, they have no clear government policy, they recognize nobody, and they are held together exclusively through force and emergency wartime powers (the constitution is officially still in place but an amendment is passed that efficiency disables it indefinitely).
- Republic of Canada: Liberal Canadian government but highly unstable due to influx of American refugees and war
- Republic of Alaska: Its called Alaska but thats just the name, in reality its more of a broad coalition. They establish a classical liberal government but suffer from extreme instability. They also sell guns to Free America (smuggled from Russia)
- Republic of Hawaii: Hawaii but an Independent Republic, parliamentary and vaugly social Democratic
- Free Canada: Collection of Canadian troops who lost contact with the main army. They are actively working to reestablish contacts and reunite.
- Confederation of Canada: Following Liberal rule the Canadian Conservatives formed a far-right authoritarian state.
Lol, man, that Federal Republic of America grouping is hilariously unlikely. More realistically, it would stop at Philly and extend down as a tiny strip to or even including DC.
I made it for fun
Disappointing. These maps usually show Canada eating into the northern USA states, especially in the west.
I get dividing the US after a civil war. But Canada?
And MAYBE Texas on it’s own would not last long until Mexico “reclaims” it.
Canada is suffering from internal division as well, especially if a massive influx of American refugees arrive (which the Canadian government will not be prepared for). Additionally I doubt Mexico can win a war against Texas especially considering their instability.
The US will nuke itself to defeat its internal enemies.
You can’t have traitors if you kill anyone who could be a traitor (everyone)
You guys really need to start rebelling.
How
Burn shit, lie to cops, do a Luigi.
Uhhh pretty sure we didn’t have a nuclear reactor meltdown.
…but we were in Afghanistan until a humiliating withdrawal a few years ago…
Shit
Oh, we’ve long outdone Chernobyl. Industrial pollution, oil spills, microplastics, regular plastics, PFAS, overfishing, habitat destruction… The modern ecological disaster caused by the US alone, before you even add in the rest of the planet, is so unfathomably large in scale that honestly it doesn’t even warrant a comparison to Chernobyl.
Chernobyl was such a uniquely singularly destructive event that also contributed to financially cracking the USSR - Russia is still spending enormous amounts of money on it to this day. The nuclear incidents in US history and many other energy related disasters were terrible and have had major consequences, but Chernobyl, again as a singular event, is without parallel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident
Not counting nuclear reactor accidents and other man-made disasters like Bhopal.
Three mile island isn’t comparable to Chernobyl, particularly not in the context of how it impacts a nations stability.
Chernobyl cost around $900 billion, inflation adjusted, and the cost is rising because it’s controlled, not resolved.
Adjusted for inflation, three mile island cost around $5 billion.
To put it in scale, it’d be like the US having a disaster that cost around $7.5 trillion to resolve today. It’s the type of economic shock that can make nations fail.
Bhopal, while a terrible disaster, cost the US nothing beyond the cost of not extraditing someone.
A poof of radioactive steam got loose at Three Mile Island. To this day, no studies have found a correlation of higher cancer rates, neither among the people on the ground, nor among the people living in the area. And no one was hurt on Day 1.
Know why the incident is top of mind for folks thinking on nuclear disasters? The China Syndrome, a movie about a catastrophic plant meltdown came out less than 3 weeks before. People shit kittens. I was only 8, but I still remember the panic.
These incidents were decades ago. Awful, but as such don’t parallel the relationship between Chernobyl and the collapse of the USSR.
Consider that Japan did have a nuclear meltdown and it is essentially a US territory. Chernobyl isn’t in Russia, it’s in Ukraine.
I’m sorry, but no. The US is not responsible for Japan’s nuclear meltdown. Japan is a separate, sovereign nation. That is insane.
Chernobyl was in Ukraine/the USSR, both Ukraine and Russia heavily fund the current containment efforts. I don’t know what to tell you. That is a fact.
Your Japan statement is so absurd I just can’t take you seriously.
Why doesn’t Japan have it’s own foreign policy? It’s foreign policy is dictated by the US. Why doesn’t Japan have an active military, only a self defense force? US won’t let them. Why are there dozens of US bases in Japan? Because they are conquered and occupied by the United States. They may not have the title of US territory but that is their status.
Nope not engaging this. Japan’s nuclear reactor in Japan’s borders staffed by Japanese engineers. This is insane. Bye 👍
Chernobyl was in Ukraine not Russia. What’s your point?
You’re an idiot. Leave me alone.
Be nice.
The USA is an empire Japan is one of many countries it rules over.
what
TL;DF. Is there a timeline that shows how long we get to suffer under this mess before it gets better?
Well the USSR fell 34 years ago and they are being ruled by the same autocrat dictator that they first elected 25 years ago, whether he’s in the presidency or pulling the strings as prime minister.
Buckle up, the bigger they are the harder they fall, and the U.S. has been the biggest of them all. Best you can do is take care of you and yours and try to build relationships with your local community, that’s what I’m doing. We’re going to be on our own, D.C. will leave us with nothing but still expect total obedience and tax revenue. It’s going to be rough.
The billionaires buy up everything they don’t already have and we become a shithole Oligarchy like Russia?
Already ahead of schedule, I see
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again.
And when the demon is at your door, in the morning it won’t be there no more.
Next they start trying to make homosexuality illegal
Another Beatles song will show its age?
