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Oh that’s cool, live organ harvesting
Hmm who else has historically done this and was more or less supporting Russia…
Hmmm
Credibly? Israel. According to Adrien Zenz? China.
Yes, only this Zenz guy.
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The correct answer is “nazis”
Why not all three?
Because the second one tries to wave away China’s attrocities as “not credible”. On par with an account ending with .ml
Tankies: “Russia is simply looking out for its sickest. Do you want them to die, you monster?!”
I mean… yes, if the price is harvesting organs from POWs. Not really even a controversial answer.
I see you haven’t talked to too many Tankies.
Oh, believe me, I have, and it’s great fun to troll them.
The act of removing organs from POWs violates the Geneva Conventions, which protect the dignity and rights of prisoners of war. Such actions, if confirmed, could be subject to international prosecution and sanctions.
‘If confirmed’? I’d think the body being returned without internal organs would be confirmation enough.
What other excuse could Putin use? That rats got to the body and only ate the heart, liver and kidneys?
conventions are only suggestions if you’ve got nothing to lose
Would this be the first Geneva violation? Or this is consisted worse than pillaging and raping?
Or kidnapping, or, you know, invading a sovereign nation.
In all fairness, Geneva doesn’t forbid war, just tries to set some humane rules.
That sentence broke my brain.
Ooh Russia has done it now.
The point is that it’s not really confirmed. It’s like if putin says that they returned pow’s with boots up their asses, you wouldn’t just assume it’s true. I’m not saying it’s not true, but it also seems like a lot of work just to be a dickhead. I would assume they didn’t remove the organs in a way that they could be put to use again.
I would assume they wouldn’t go through the trouble of removing organs without a good reason, ie: to transplant into some rich Russian.
Does it still count if they remove the organs after the prisoner is already dead?
I’d wait until it’s reported by bigger media channels with their reputation at the stake. Not only it’s stupid, easily provable, heinous, inhumane, but it’s also hard to carry it out, en masse and for no reason, with transplants being executed by select few clinics and less than a thousand of doctors. And having read a lot about prisons and army in USSR and modern Russia, I’ve seen a lot of morbid shit done to a living being, but yet to hear something about organized organ extraction from the dead. It also dawns on me that with how underfed and beaten POWs come back to Ukraine, there should’ve been a different camp to secure their health for their organs to be worth an operation.
Right now I mark it red but am open to rewiev that.
Who said anything about harvesting from the dead.
I’d assume dead once they are on the table knowing our sad state of medicine.
You seem to think they’re letting pows die and extracting organs later? Not much point in that.
You are the second person to point that out. That’s on me. No, I don’t think they choose dead or dying for transplants because, yes, the conditions leading to death and degenerative processes starting right after that render organs useless.
Russian troops gotta eat something.
“Blyat! Soylent Green, again!”
Straight out of the Israel playbook
Straight out of the Nazi playbook
Why’d you copy their comment?
Sorry, won’t do that again
In regards to the Palestinians/Israelis this appears to be a malicious lie. If you look into it you see weird claims like poisoning people to take their organs (this ruins the organs) and taking people from graveyards for the recently killed (you don’t bury people and then come back for their shit) .
The allegations being a mix of unlikely claims and provable lies suggests there is no merit whatsoever to such claims.
Only the biggest skin bank in the world, filled to the brim with non-citizen skin.
Sick fucks
Friendly reminder the republiQans back russia.
Well, many do. Perjury Traitor Greed, Beavis, probably the Vaping Handjobber
Was like this when we found it, is normal for kidneys to be lost from gunshot, da?
is normal for kidneys…
its quite normal to read such stuff in propaganda times, without them needing to happen at all. and it has always been like this.
Gotta fund the war machine somehow.
My unfounded conspiracy theory is that it is to hide certain torture and poisoning techniques. I have no knowledge on the subject, but it seems like a practical yet poorly thought out thing the orcs would do. Remove stomach and kidneys to hide stuff…then remove other things to obfuscate.
Also selling organs on various markets to fund their invasion…viable?
Not a doctor. But while probably true that some poisons could cause very visible damage to some specific organs (liver, kidneys), but if you know what you are looking for, you could most likely find it in fat tissue, hair, nails.
I feel making extra cash on the side for mister important army officer “because is hard life to live” is most likely.
You know what, I’m pretty sure we’re going to hear some bullshit about “eastern worldview vs western world view” when it’s really just violent nationalism.
The Israeli army also does this with Palestinian prisoners. Israel has the worlds largest skin bank for some reason.
In regards to the Palestinians/Israelis this appears to be a malicious lie. If you look into it you see weird claims like poisoning people to take their organs (this ruins the organs) and taking people from graveyards for the recently killed (you don’t bury people and then come back for their shit) .
The allegations being a mix of unlikely claims and provable lies suggests there is no merit whatsoever to such claims.
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It is difficult to prove non-existence. Do you have some reliable sources I can read that show this behavior? Sources who preferably don’t make weird assertions or constantly spout provable lies in other respects? It doesn’t count if its a reliable source that is merely reporting “unreliable source says ___”
As an example if the Washington Post reported that $KNOWN_CRANK says ‘aliens are among us’ the Washington Post is taking ownership of the fact that $KNOWN_CRANK said not not the veracity of the crazy claim which is left to stand or fall entirely on the credibility of $KNOWN_CRANK.
The Haruspex is at it again!
Sounds like Russians are harvesting live organs from living POW’s, then sending the victims’ remains back as a “fuck you” to the families.
Since Russia ignores the Geneva Convention, they should be excluded from it. Ukraine ahould be permitted to exterminate cockroaches inside of Russia.
“They’re committing war crimes, so we’re committing war crimes” is a bad strategy that only leads to escalation.
The Russians are violating an agreement. When a party leaves an agreement, there is no longer an agreement. It is impractical for one party to abide by this specific agreement when that party suffers death as a result.
No, that is not an excuse to do things like use poison gas, biological weapons or child soldiers. All that does is make things worse. It eventually leads to a nuclear weapon. I’m not sure why you don’t see where escalation leads.
I have not suggested any of those actions at all. Also, we are in disagreement about the threat of Putin’s ancient nuclear armament which has been maintained by notorious black-market scalpers for the past 50+ years.
You have not. You have suggested that war crimes are acceptable. All of those things are war crimes. Escalation to making war crimes acceptable make those things acceptable.
And it’s nice of you to be willing to sacrifice Kyiv because you don’t think any of Putin’s nukes work. I imagine Zelensky (and most of the rest of the Ukrainian population) don’t feel like that’s a risk that’s worth taking.
That’s a risk they are taking by fighting Putin at all. He’s drawn numerous lines in the sand using the threat of nuking Kyiv, all (or most) of which have been crossed. That’s why he’s escalated to threatening Europe and the West. Even he is not confident in his arsenal.
I concede that it is more wise to not push to the point of finding out if possible, but I do not believe bending to or negotiating with Putin would be useful in making Ukraine whole again. I also don’t think maintaining our current milquetoast approach to defending Ukraine is going to be effective either. I’m mostly in agreement with your positions, I’m just not in absolute agreement. I think a dramatic and swift action against Putin himself (a probable violation of Hague Conventions) would be an effective approach to ending the invasion.
I will hold my tongue on some other violations of international rules because they are vicious and I would (like most people) prefer we avoid them if possible. But, I think it would be an error to remove all such options dogmatically. I think Putin (and Russia at large) should be put on notice that when they refuse to play by the rules, the rules may be suspended in actions against them.
There is a massive gulf between not bending or negotiating and committing war crimes.
The allies were able to fight the Nazis without becoming the Nazis.
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the Geneva Conventions mostly exist to protect innocent people from war, they should never be ignored, no matter what.
The targets need not be civilian.
