• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    15 days ago

    Capitalism is the only system that lets you chase your dreams, if those dreams are stomping on the dreams of others through a position of privilege.

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        13 days ago

        Since you were born, you’ve been doing exactly that! So don’t worry, the sign up already happened

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      Yeah “acquire passive income through exploitation and then pursue your dreams”

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        Especially if by “pursuing your dreams” you mean exploiting workers, protecting capitalists, making opportunities for money laundering (for capitalists), or oppressing and killing minorities domestic and foreign (to help the capitalists).

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    Thus political economy – despite its worldly and voluptuous appearance – is a true moral science, the most moral of all the sciences. Self-renunciation, the renunciation of life and of all human needs, is its principal thesis. The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, i.e., the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being. Everything which the political economist takes from you in life and in humanity, he replaces for you in money and in wealth; and all the things which you cannot do, your money can do. It can eat and, drink, go to the dance hall and the theatre; it can travel, it can appropriate art, learning, the treasures of the past, political power – all this it can appropriate for you – it can buy all this: it is true endowment. Yet being all this, it wants to do nothing but create itself, buy itself; for everything else is after all its servant, and when I have the master I have the servant and do not need his servant. All passions and all activity must therefore be submerged in avarice.

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    I’ve seen so many youtube videos from conservatives where they literally just listen to someone saying what their minor/emphasis was and saying “wow, it’s so stupid that’s even offered, that’s completely useless”. The comments tend to be more unhinged, I frequently see “these universities should lose their accreditation”, “it should be illegal to offer these”, etc. Usually it’s something extremely basic, like the impact of colonialism on X, or something to do with intersectionality. Like, these aren’t even their majors, they’re just a component of their degrees that they can freely choose. I feel like many conservatives are just against any new ideas regardless of their validity.

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      many conservatives are just against any new ideas regardless of their validity.

      You got it right there. That’s exactly what conservatives are.

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        It’s basically in the word itself: Conserve = maintain, unchanged

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      While there is absolutely truth to what he’s saying there, I do think it is sort of a “grass is always greener” thing.

      For example, Tarkovsky famously butted heads constantly with Soviet censors/authorities about the content of his films (though to be fair, he was making some out there shit). I believe it’s ultimately why he left the USSR.

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    Communists: communism is the only system that creates equality.

    Also Communists: Fuck art degrees, …work the factory cogs comrade & think of the collective!

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      Capitalist: If you aren’t a simp for capitalists, you must be communist. There is literally not other choice. Trust me bro.

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        Yeah this is a blight of communism and leftism in general, you have no real artists, just State propagandists

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      There are capitalist countries in which tuition is free, so I don’t know if we can blame this on capitalism. Then again, most likely you’re still going to have a lot of other expenses like rent, food and possibly also books and stuff, so in that case UBI would be great.

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        14 days ago

        Free public tuition, like we have in Norway, is a non-capitalist component of an otherwise capitalist society. Paid higher education, like in the US, is a capitalist component of an otherwise capitalist society.

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    You are free to chase those dreams. You are free to also struggle to find employment like the rest of us. Why hamper yourself? Do things that aren’t profitable but you enjoy as hobbies Stop trying to find fulfillment at work.

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      Art is hugely profitable.

      The arts are a significant contributor to the UK economy. Here’s a quick breakdown of their impact:

      • Economic output: The creative industries, which include the arts, are estimated to generate £126 billion in gross value added (GVA) to the UK economy. This represents around 5.6% of the total economy.
      • Employment: The creative industries employ around 2.4 million people in the UK, accounting for 7% of all filled jobs. This sector has also seen a faster recovery in employment after the pandemic compared to the rest of the economy.
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          No, I was simply refuting the claim that art isn’t profitable. If it was up to me, art as a recreation would be what people were encouraged to do with their days instead of working for corporations.

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            But people are encouraged to do art as recreation. There are plenty of groups and courses to paint, write or dance in your free time.

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    Sometimes I think about how much art was never created because of capitalism. It either never got funded, or a potential artist never got the chance to make it, because just to scrape by, they had to spend too much time toiling to make some business owners money. It’s depressing.

    And, just to cut off one potential counterargument: I don’t give half of a shit how “good” that art would be. I’m confident there are spectacular works of art that never came to be, but even putting it aside, it’s all subjective. Some folks would have loved it, and the artists would have found value in making it. That’s more than enough, and a hell of a lot more meaningful than breaking your back working for a living so that other people can own stuff for a living.

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    Must be so awesome for those people living in non-capitalist countries that are able to do all those.

    Remind me what countries those are please?

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      Remind me which countries failed due to socialism and not the full force of the western military complex whether by coup or invasion?

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          I think it does. Do you think that art and humanities aren’t appreciated under Socialism?

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            No it doesn’t. I asked what non-capitalist countries allow you to chase the OP’s dreams and you’re just asking me a bunch of questions about my opinion of the existence of colleges, and art appreciation.

            But OK let’s suppose I have to answer your questions before I can get an answer to mine. Same answer for both: actually it’s not something I’ve ever thought about. But I could find out fairly easily, the first anyway, given a list of socialist countries I could do a quick web search to find out if they have colleges. They probably do, but I couldn’t name any at the moment. I think it would be tricky to find out whether or not A&H are appreciated under socialism; I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t be but I couldn’t point to anything that gives an indication one way or another.

            Your answer now please: a list of countries where I could, if I lived and so desired, chase those dreams without the limitations of capitalism.

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              Pretty much all of them to different degrees. What’s your point?

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                I don’t think I’m trying to make any point. I’m just trying to understand where this stuff successfully plays out.

                If you don’t want to give a full list that’s fine. What would be your top three? Or any three if you prefer.

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    The difference is you can still get those degrees if you want to. In communism, you cant.

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        They did, but you got training in whatever the state wanted, not the individual.

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          This is not true. At least here in Romania, the issue with colleges under communism was that there were VERY limited slots, so you had to either be the best of the best or have a high up party member in the family or as a close personal friend.

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            So you are basically agreeing? Not true on paper but in practice you couldn’t just get into college, which is what OP claimed.

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              No, I’m disagreeing. You could study anything you wanted, not what the state wanted. It was just hard to get a slot.

              I guess it’s similar to how it’s incredibly hard to get a scholarship at a great university today. You’d hardly say that the modern scholarship system “forces you to study what the state wants”.

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                Not as different as recent past in Brazil. Federal and State universities where free and the top of the country, but the slots were few and the competition high. And because class disparities were reinforced on school education, even if the universities were free, only rich and middle income families were able to get in. Since the first Lula’s government, there have been policies in place to ensure that public schools and black students have exclusive slots. Brazillian middle class hate it, but they can eat it. This year was the first time in history that USP (best university in Brazil) had more admission from public schools that for private ones.

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                  Yeah, that does sound very comparable to what I was talking about. Your example and mine both do not have the state deciding what university you apply to though, which is what I understood from “the state decides what you’ll study”.

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      14 days ago

      It has a limit. Lots of talented artists out there still looking for jobs. I know someone looking for a while and they worked on Archer(backgrounds and layout artwork).

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          As in the amount who can successfully pursue jobs in that field that pay enough to live off of. Even education jobs are having a hard time with pay.

          Some types of art appear to look great because of those in the field who are hugely successful, but for every successful pop star or diva, how many people keep trying to make music, make something decent but don’t get off the ground? Indie music has its place, but a lot of really successful artists are connected to the industry by family or friends etc, same with a lot of acting talent nowadays.

          You could argue other jobs have similar limits but they’re usually much more dense.

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            Wait, were they expecting to get paid?

            That only speaks of the consumption patterns. Unless they want to force people to buy their shit, this is a non problem