• RobbieGM@discuss.tchncs.de
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        1 year ago

        This isn’t exactly a helpful response. The two movements are different in myriad ways, and I see no reason to believe that the failure or success, however that may be defined, of one would cause the other to have the same fate.

        • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1 year ago

          Mostly because the roots of every discrimination are basically the same, and if you focus on only one aspect of it, you will not succeed no matter how much progress you think you’re making. For example, both racism and misogyny is based on the old entitlement, on the old white men’s unearned sense of superiority, and if you don’t target that, you will never have an egalitarian society, even if you make them pretend that they aren’t overtly misogynistic anymore. It’s like TERFs teaming up with white supremacists to harass trans people, only to be incredibly surprised that white supremacists hate women too.

          • Paulemeister@feddit.de
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            1 year ago

            Kinda sounds like in that example, the reason for humans that are not white old men to be racist is those white old men. Sorry if I’m being ignorant here, but I always though racism is common among every demographic. I though it’s more of a thing that’s imprinted onto you and just not challenged because you don’t interact with enough people you have prejudices against. I don’t want to misrepresent your point, but from what I see, a racist black woman can exist without the white man to be the reason for that

            • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
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              1 year ago

              And if we were living in the black matriarchy, we would be having a different conversation. But we live in the white patriarchy, so we are having this one.
              But regardless, sexism, racism, homophobia, and every other types of descrimination have basically the same root, so there is no real way to get rid of one without getting rid of the rest.

              • Paulemeister@feddit.de
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                1 year ago

                Sorry, I’m just not that informed on that subject, but what is the same root? The old white men? So if we locked all of them up we would be living in a utopia?