Lets see how many downvotes directly quoting the source gets me.
urging the world to ‘sympathize with the Russian occupiers’
And we should have some sympathy for the Russian boys as well as the Ukrainian boys, because Russian boys, because boys didn’t ask to be on their frontline. They have to be. So there’s a lot of sons not coming back to their parents, and I think most of them don’t hate the other side. It’s sort of like as this saying comes from World War I, it’s like young boys who don’t know each other killing each other on behalf of old men that do know each other. The hell’s the point of that.
Elon Musk’s ‘advice’ to ‘stop resisting Russia’
Well, I think that what is likely to happen, which is really pretty much the way it is, is that something very close to the current lines will be how a ceasefire or truce happens. But you just have a situation right now where whoever goes on the offensive will suffer casualties at several times the rate of whoever’s on the defense because you’ve got defense in depth, you’ve got minefields, trenches, anti-tank defenses. Nobody has air superiority because the anti-aircraft missiles are really far better than the aircraft. They’re far more of them. And so neither side has air superiority. Tanks are basically death traps, just slow moving, and they’re not immune to anti-tank weapons. So you really just have long range artillery and infantry ranges. It’s World War I all over again with drones, thrown old drones, some drones there.
He “advised” Volodymyr Zelenskyy to abandon the counteroffensive and agree to peace talks with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that. Whoever goes on the offensive will lose massive numbers of people and history will not look kindly upon them.
Most of this is just general “war is bad for everyone” and the old “the ones fighting the war aren’t the one who want the war”. It’s true but it’s also really nothing new or especially smart.
Look, I think I would just recommend do not send the flower of Ukrainian youth to die in trenches, whether he talks to Putin or not, just don’t do that
This part though is what I find problematic. This way of framing the current situation suggests a few things:
- Ukraine is the one deciding for this war to happen
- All that would be needed to stop this war would be talking with putin about a truce
- Putin attacking Ukraine is sort of a “higher power” like a natural catastrophe that just has to be accepted
It also completely ignores a few things:
- The lines are only this stable because Ukrainians risk and lose their lives every day to defend them. Stopping this would mean a truce would be no longer negotiable. Because why would Putin suddenly stop the efforts to move the lines once resistance has stopped?
- Putin is the one responsible for Ukrainians going into this war and dying at the frontlines, just as he is responsible for the russian soldiers that are dying there
Also: Telling a nation to just roll over and be invaded is such an american thing to suggest.
Edit: This also misses the whole thing where other countries might accept you as a refugee if you desert the russian army, if you really didn’t want to fight in this war.
I am really tired of this piece of shit getting himself involve in things that he have no remote understanding of.
But he’s smart in one thing so he must be smart in all things?
Name one thing he’s actually smart in.
Selling smoke.
Exactly. For a while he was doing really well at selling himself as visionary investing in cool technologies when no one else was willing to. Then he started to comment on shit he really has no idea about and it all went down hill fast. Certainly after the whole insulting a cave rescuer as a paedophile.
What a joke of a man
On the other hand: This news article is crap. why not actually read the interview Musk gave: https://lexfridman.com/elon-musk-4-transcript After having read the part about Ukraine, my interpretation would rather be: Even an idiot like Musk is able to give a pretty good analysis of what‘s happening in a war like this.
The links does not work, but was it really based on that interview?
I think his take on the topic was reasonable - it’s allowed to just not want any more death or suffering on either side - but not realistic.
It was also one sided - you really can’t focus on what Ukraine can do without also saying who started it all and caused the war in the first place. He never mentioned that Russia started it and how easy it is for Russia to stop all suffering and achieve peace. At best you can say he’s given up on Russia, don’t think they’ll change, and try to get Ukraine to stop more suffering. But is that really realistic - did Russia stop after Donetsk in 2014? It’s not reasonable to think it will be different this time. Give Russia peace for 5 years and let them rebuild their strength? They’ll just start again and set target for Kiev.
Link still works for me. I was curious wether he really said that thing about youth being the flower, so I looked it up. And he really did. The other things mentioned in the article were there, too, albeit in a more coherent fashion. It‘s true he doesn‘t demand that Russia should stop. They should, but they won‘t. And realistically this war will go on in the trenches with the youth of both sides dying.
Yeah I need to figure why I can’t follow the cross post here on Lemmy so i can get to the article.
I’ve watched the complete interview with Lex, so if this content is based on that, then title on this post here on Lemmy is junk, so if that’s the title used on the article I won’t have high hopes for that either.
I just despise clickbaited titles with statements that are twisted into someone elses opinion on the meaning behind what was said. I see it so often. I have no better solution currently than finding the actual source and make my own opinion, but it’s tiring. I do believe that “journalism” like this makes the world is worse place to live.
Well said. That‘s exactly why I posted the original. I guess nobody even read the article of the original post, because it was so incoherent and really just existed to frame his thoughts as pro russian propaganda. And yeah, in the end it wasn‘t and I could feel his strong sentiment against war.
Yeah, well. I miss Lemmy from July I guess. Now, on any contended topic, I feel it’s no better than Reddit (except for the whole overlords censoring thingy). Have a look at Tildes for a little less stupid news reporting and articles.
will do, thanks
This is, was this POS thought all along and is another proof for his total lack of empathy and inability to think ahead.
The world should sympathise with the idea of sending Muskrat with an one way ticket to Mars.
Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck ignorant lazy billionaires. The mega wealthy are ALL the problems wrong with this world.
yep especially the arrogance. sure he can share his wisdom, but maybe first go for an internship in the ukrainian army, little elon 😉 then I’ll take it seriously
Do humanity a double service and fly to Mars.
And stay there.
