That’s not your definition of self-defense, but it fits many legal definitions. It says he left his vehicle to verbally challenge him. It also mentions he tried to deescalate via discussion:
Witnesses said that Warren had attempted to discuss the matter before things became violent and that he appeared “exhausted.”
He left his vehicle to discuss then the other man threw a punch, at which point he hit the guy back only only once. If someone is yelling and swearing at you, are you supposed to run? You can’t even attempt to talk it out or you lose your right to self defense?
Unless you have been physically attacked or have a reasonable belief that you will be imminently attacked, physical violence is always unwarranted. Everyone arguing otherwise is a violent dumbass.
Cool so you agree that getting out of his vehicle to talk to the guy was alright, since there was no physical violence until the other individual threw the first punch.
The investigation found that Magnuson had acted aggressively, repeatedly taunting Warren with racial slurs and later punching Warren in an ensuing confrontation.
A memo published by the prosecutor’s office says that Warren’s actions were “in kind” to Magnuson’s escalation. Witnesses said that Warren had attempted to discuss the matter before things became violent and that he appeared “exhausted.”
He got out of the truck because the guy was flipping out at him, and chose to use racist insults to provoke him. A simple proverb that could have helped that racist fuck: don’t let your mouth write a check your ass can’t cash ✨
Truck driver didn’t throw the first punch, though. Extremely aggressive would be provoking someone with racial epithets and then proceeding to punch them when they pull over to respond.
Nah, the idiot went on too long without receiving consequences for his stupid mouth. People that say shit like that only say it because they think they can antagonize others without expecting anything in return. I imagine that guy had a long history of shit-talking, you don’t spontaneously just become a racist fuckface with a loud mouth.
The fact he took the next step and punched the guy in the face–that’s where he crossed the line, and all bets were off. He could have just apologized, run, or shut up but instead he chose to further escalate the situation that he started. At the end of the day, this isn’t about being the “bigger man” or whatever it is you’re trying to do to make the racist the good guy. Some people need to learn that you can’t just go fucking with anyone you like without fear of retribution.
His parents would have done well to warn them of the dangers they might face by picking a fight with a stranger. Luckily, we can learn from his mistake and perhaps even share this tale with our loved ones so they too can catch themselves before they start hurting racial epithets at truck drivers, then proceeding to punch them in the face when confronted for their words. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’re not wrong. I never understand the stupidity of escalating a confrontation when a perfectly valid method of avoiding it like walking or driving away exists. Someone calls you a bad name over and over so you have the choice of a) getting out of your vehicle and opening up all kinds of possibilities for shit to go wrong, or b) leave, and nothing else happens.
So this place is turning out to be just as bloodthirsty as Reddit, looking for fights instead of walking away and then saying FAFO as justification when someone dies. Life is so cheap for some.
It’s not about self defense. As long as you match, and don’t exceed the aggressor’s energy, you’re within your rights. If someone punches you, you can punch back but you can’t pile drive the guy, but you can hit back just as hard.
The punch the FedEx driver threw wasn’t meant to be fatal and was an acceptable retaliation after being verbally abused, then physically assaulted. It’s not his fault the aggressor was glass Joe.
He did not get charged. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/22/fedex-driver-fatally-punches-back-after-racist-vitriol-oregon/2089320002/
What the fuck. That is NOT self-defense.
That’s not your definition of self-defense, but it fits many legal definitions. It says he left his vehicle to verbally challenge him. It also mentions he tried to deescalate via discussion:
He left his vehicle to discuss then the other man threw a punch, at which point he hit the guy back only only once. If someone is yelling and swearing at you, are you supposed to run? You can’t even attempt to talk it out or you lose your right to self defense?
Unless you have been physically attacked or have a reasonable belief that you will be imminently attacked, physical violence is always unwarranted. Everyone arguing otherwise is a violent dumbass.
Cool so you agree that getting out of his vehicle to talk to the guy was alright, since there was no physical violence until the other individual threw the first punch.
Glad we got that straightened out.
Yes it is
tit for tat is not a defense. he started it by getting out of the car to confront the man for no good reason.
Eeeeh, no? The other guy was hurling racist remarks at him. He went to confront the guy. That is not starting it, that is following up.
Once the other guy delivered the first punch, the other guy started both the insults and the fight.
he was exercising his free speech rights and you think that deserves death?
when has that ever solved anything peacefully when the other person is yelling slurs? getting out of the car was the worst possible decision.
… For which he should go to jail?
You know what a bad decision is? Yelling slurs and throwing hands when you know you arent in best health
He got out of the truck because the guy was flipping out at him, and chose to use racist insults to provoke him. A simple proverb that could have helped that racist fuck: don’t let your mouth write a check your ass can’t cash ✨
that’s not a good enough reason to get out and is just begging for trouble. it’s extremely aggressive.
Truck driver didn’t throw the first punch, though. Extremely aggressive would be provoking someone with racial epithets and then proceeding to punch them when they pull over to respond.
responding was the bigger mistake IMO
Nah, the idiot went on too long without receiving consequences for his stupid mouth. People that say shit like that only say it because they think they can antagonize others without expecting anything in return. I imagine that guy had a long history of shit-talking, you don’t spontaneously just become a racist fuckface with a loud mouth.
The fact he took the next step and punched the guy in the face–that’s where he crossed the line, and all bets were off. He could have just apologized, run, or shut up but instead he chose to further escalate the situation that he started. At the end of the day, this isn’t about being the “bigger man” or whatever it is you’re trying to do to make the racist the good guy. Some people need to learn that you can’t just go fucking with anyone you like without fear of retribution.
His parents would have done well to warn them of the dangers they might face by picking a fight with a stranger. Luckily, we can learn from his mistake and perhaps even share this tale with our loved ones so they too can catch themselves before they start hurting racial epithets at truck drivers, then proceeding to punch them in the face when confronted for their words. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You’re not wrong. I never understand the stupidity of escalating a confrontation when a perfectly valid method of avoiding it like walking or driving away exists. Someone calls you a bad name over and over so you have the choice of a) getting out of your vehicle and opening up all kinds of possibilities for shit to go wrong, or b) leave, and nothing else happens.
So this place is turning out to be just as bloodthirsty as Reddit, looking for fights instead of walking away and then saying FAFO as justification when someone dies. Life is so cheap for some.
It’s not about self defense. As long as you match, and don’t exceed the aggressor’s energy, you’re within your rights. If someone punches you, you can punch back but you can’t pile drive the guy, but you can hit back just as hard.
The punch the FedEx driver threw wasn’t meant to be fatal and was an acceptable retaliation after being verbally abused, then physically assaulted. It’s not his fault the aggressor was glass Joe.
Retaliation is not self-defense.
Retaliation has a meaning that does not have bearing here; mens rea for that cannot be established under the circumstances.
Level of reciprocity in force has always mattered; at least we’re not under Hammurabi’s anymore.
The prosecutor’s office in the referenced discussion disagrees with you and you are making claims and not arguments.