• SnuggleSnail@ani.social
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    10 months ago

    The headline is wrong. Nobody needs to support Israel. But it is clear you must acknowledge its right to exist.

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      10 months ago

      Why should a Palestinian recognize Israel’s right to exist? After all, Israel has not even apologized for the terrible acts it committed before its founding as a state. Nor for the terrible acts it committed after the founding of the state to prevent the existence of a state of Palestine for all eternity.

      If you disenfranchise, deprive, humiliate and harass a population in such a way that a certain proportion of that population inevitably grows into terrorists (and even the non-terrorists agree to them), then you should not be surprised if terrorist attacks occur. It is inevitable.

      The first thing one should do in that case is fulfill the duties that come with having power over a population. And next you should talk to representatives of this population, preferably elected representatives of this population.

      Yes, even if they are terrorists, negotiation and government accountability are the best way to turn terrorists into former terrorists. (It has also worked for many Israeli politicians who have had terrorist pasts.)

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        10 months ago

        I don’t want to say what a Palestinian should do.

        But if someone wants to become German, they must not have extremist tendencies. And not recognising an internationally recognised state is an extremist opinion.

        You can still say the Israeli government is committing atrocities and should be removed from office. That is ok.

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          10 months ago

          What do you expect of migrants.

          What would you think about migrants coming to Germany with the outspoken intent to establish their own state on German soil? You know, the big replacement conspiracy.

          What would you think about those migrants if they and their descendants totally rejected to integrate or learn the German language. While your government allows more and more of them to come to your country. And what would you think about your government.

          What would you think about them when they start to organize terror groups and fight your government that had previously invited them. What if they started to attack innocent people, forcing Millions of people out of their towns and villages to the outer regions of Germany or even abroad.

          And after they took 80% of Germany leaving only 20% for the Germans they would declare Germany as nonexistent and happily declaring their new state of migrantia. Would you appreciate that?

          If they after that somehow surprisingly manage (by bribing other countries and what not) to get acceptance by the UN, would you accept that, too, sitting in your 20% refugee camp.

          Well I would totally understand and not calling you extremist if you were a little hesitant…

          I mean, very many Germans go totally crazy about migrants, without there being any hint that our migrants want more of Germany than working and education for their children…

          …and the right not to consider Israel as their raison d’être. In fact if they are Palestinian they come here hoping for shelter from Israeli persecution. They are allowed to hate Israel, they have many good reasons to do so.

          But despite that many of them are dreaming of a reasonable solution including both people living peacefully in that land. And that’s obviously more than the German government is able to do.