Why is your moral compass calibrated according to the worst people? Is not being the worst possible human being good enough?
Also, as long the general public doesnt change whats acceptable and what not through their actions, why would the rich change anything? Theyre not the ones who will suffer from climate change and they dont care.
You dont need to force anyone. People make their own decisions.
By the same reasoning, would you abolish elections because letting a single person decide is more efficient?
In theory, I agree with you, it is way more efficient to just ban cars, ban billionaires, distribute their money and end world hunger. But thats not realistic. There is absolutely no indication that any politician will even consider any of that, as long as the population still keeps driving around in massive SUVs, eating mass produced meat and buying everything from Amazon.
Man you guys sure love to jump to absurd conclusions using apples to oranges comparisons… First the guy comparing eating beans to child abuse, now you… It’s almost as if trying to force your lame lifestyle on billions of people requires leaps of logic only a protein deprived brain can achieve.
First off, you can’t measure the efficiency of one person deciding vs multiple.
You can, however, determine how much co2 one person emits.
There’s also no indication that politicians will ever consider banning meat and yet here you are trying to make people eat beans on toast every meal.
Look, all I’m saying, if you truly care about the planet, instead of trying to force lifestyle changes on 99% of the population, there’s 1% of them that emits 15% of CO2 without really contributing anything useful to society.
There’s a quick ROI. Be the change you want to see in the world.
You are strawmanning and coping so hard I dont have enough time to address all of that, so ill just pick a few.
Im not trying to force lifestyle changes on anyone and I dont know why youre claiming that. I am simply arguing which life choices can make a difference and which cant.
What exactly do you suggest the average person does to ensure the 1% stop emitting 15%? Vote green? That has worked wonderfully over the past 30 years right?
Is ‘be the change you want to see in the world’ supposed to be a summary of my arguments? Coz it sure as hell doesnt fit you attitude of ‘dont change anything as long as rich people dont change’.
Yes, yes you are. The only reason you are arguing right now is because you’re mad that I refuse to stop eating meat while some rich fuck’s personal jet flies around the world just so he can have a shit in a different toilet every day. If you didn’t care about changing my way, you’d be doing something else.
You really want to get politicians involved, huh. You haven’t figured out yet that they’re part of the problem?
Be the change you want to see in the world is meant as an encouraging statement to go and take things into your own hands instead of relying on third parties to fix your problems.
You dont see a difference between ‘making an argument’ and ‘forcing (because thats the exact word you used) someone to change their way of life’?
Also, I am not mad at you for eating meat. It is your own decision. Im not even vegan myself. Please dont project your insecurities on me. I am mad at big corporations and billionaires for causing misery for a large group of people, but for that to change, I sincerely believe that the attitude in our society has to change from blindly consuming everything we are offered to living and consuming more consciously. I will not start shooting billionaires (thats obviously what youre suggesting and I hope it is just a phase driven by interner anonymity and frustration).
And related to 3., taking matters into your own hands is my whole point, youre arguing against it.
Also, please answer 2, because youre constantly complaining about me suggesting that change comes from.the consumers, but you are completely avoiding suggesting any alternative.
I will, and i will also feel good about not assaulting children even though there are people out there slaughtering droves of them.
So your evidence for this grand elite conspiracy is one article from the new York post. Tell me what’s the advertising budget for crickets, or if you’ve ever even seen an ad for crickets? Cause the advertising budget for Tyson foods alone is over $200 million . That’s just the industry itself, that doesn’t include restaurants like McDonald’s etc. That are also pushing you to buy meat. Tyson foods alone also lobbies the government to the tune of $2.8 million. The big money is not trying to get you to eat crickets, it’s trying to get you to eat meat.
If the whole point of your argument is that you’re absolved of the bad things you do because there’s someone out there doing worse things at a greater scale, then I have addressed it multiple times with the analogy showing that’s not how ethics work. You haven’t addressed the analogy or shown how it’s different.
So tell me why don’t you just go around pushing kids over for fun?, there’s people out there doing way worse to a lot more kids.
Why shouldn’t you just litter and throw your trash in the river?, there are a lot of companies out there dumping way more into that river, your bag of trash is a drop in the bucket.
If you follow this logic of “theres a worse guy out there so my relatively minor transgressions are fine” then you just become a scumbag . Yeah, you’re not evil, but society would be a lot better without you.
I ain’t gonna stop eating meat to save 100g of CO2 a year while Taylor Swift takes her jet when she needs to tinkle.
Why is your moral compass calibrated according to the worst people? Is not being the worst possible human being good enough?
Also, as long the general public doesnt change whats acceptable and what not through their actions, why would the rich change anything? Theyre not the ones who will suffer from climate change and they dont care.
It’s about efficiency.
What’s better? Forcing 1000000 people to eat bugs and beans, or summarily executing one Elon Musk?
You dont need to force anyone. People make their own decisions.
By the same reasoning, would you abolish elections because letting a single person decide is more efficient?
In theory, I agree with you, it is way more efficient to just ban cars, ban billionaires, distribute their money and end world hunger. But thats not realistic. There is absolutely no indication that any politician will even consider any of that, as long as the population still keeps driving around in massive SUVs, eating mass produced meat and buying everything from Amazon.
Man you guys sure love to jump to absurd conclusions using apples to oranges comparisons… First the guy comparing eating beans to child abuse, now you… It’s almost as if trying to force your lame lifestyle on billions of people requires leaps of logic only a protein deprived brain can achieve.
First off, you can’t measure the efficiency of one person deciding vs multiple.
You can, however, determine how much co2 one person emits.
There’s also no indication that politicians will ever consider banning meat and yet here you are trying to make people eat beans on toast every meal.
Look, all I’m saying, if you truly care about the planet, instead of trying to force lifestyle changes on 99% of the population, there’s 1% of them that emits 15% of CO2 without really contributing anything useful to society.
There’s a quick ROI. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Or you could eat beans I guess.
You are strawmanning and coping so hard I dont have enough time to address all of that, so ill just pick a few.
Im not trying to force lifestyle changes on anyone and I dont know why youre claiming that. I am simply arguing which life choices can make a difference and which cant.
What exactly do you suggest the average person does to ensure the 1% stop emitting 15%? Vote green? That has worked wonderfully over the past 30 years right?
Is ‘be the change you want to see in the world’ supposed to be a summary of my arguments? Coz it sure as hell doesnt fit you attitude of ‘dont change anything as long as rich people dont change’.
veganism has been around since the '40s and the meat industry grows every year.
Yes, yes you are. The only reason you are arguing right now is because you’re mad that I refuse to stop eating meat while some rich fuck’s personal jet flies around the world just so he can have a shit in a different toilet every day. If you didn’t care about changing my way, you’d be doing something else.
You really want to get politicians involved, huh. You haven’t figured out yet that they’re part of the problem?
Be the change you want to see in the world is meant as an encouraging statement to go and take things into your own hands instead of relying on third parties to fix your problems.
You dont see a difference between ‘making an argument’ and ‘forcing (because thats the exact word you used) someone to change their way of life’?
Also, I am not mad at you for eating meat. It is your own decision. Im not even vegan myself. Please dont project your insecurities on me. I am mad at big corporations and billionaires for causing misery for a large group of people, but for that to change, I sincerely believe that the attitude in our society has to change from blindly consuming everything we are offered to living and consuming more consciously. I will not start shooting billionaires (thats obviously what youre suggesting and I hope it is just a phase driven by interner anonymity and frustration).
And related to 3., taking matters into your own hands is my whole point, youre arguing against it.
Also, please answer 2, because youre constantly complaining about me suggesting that change comes from.the consumers, but you are completely avoiding suggesting any alternative.
Regarding 3, all I’m saying is that there’s an easy way to reduce CO2 emissions by about 15% but all you’re doing is waffling about beans.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
I ain’t gonna stop beating my children while Israel drops bombs on schools to take out a hamas laptop.
Eat your bugs, you need to offset the damage caused by a billionaire’s third yacht.
What is with you guys and bugs? Do you really think vegetarians eat bugs or want you to eat bugs?
We eat and want you to eat beans, but I guess that’s not disgusting enough for you to get mad over.
Bugs, beans, whatever. That’s not the point.
Feel free to feel good about saving all that planet.
Oops some billionaire’s megayacht just dumped more CO2 in the atmosphere in a day than you banked by eating beans for the past decade.
But yeah, more beans please.
Also, 'people like men talk about bugs because that’s what the elite is working hard trying to manufacture that delicious bug eating consent
I will, and i will also feel good about not assaulting children even though there are people out there slaughtering droves of them.
So your evidence for this grand elite conspiracy is one article from the new York post. Tell me what’s the advertising budget for crickets, or if you’ve ever even seen an ad for crickets? Cause the advertising budget for Tyson foods alone is over $200 million . That’s just the industry itself, that doesn’t include restaurants like McDonald’s etc. That are also pushing you to buy meat. Tyson foods alone also lobbies the government to the tune of $2.8 million. The big money is not trying to get you to eat crickets, it’s trying to get you to eat meat.
Man you’re still missing the whole point of my argument just because I said bugs, huh?
Your brain that starved for real protein? Try meat.
Please rethink this comment. This isn’t why we joined Lemmy.
Please rethink this comment. This isn’t why we joined Lemmy.
Ah, name calling, the last refuge of bad takes.
If the whole point of your argument is that you’re absolved of the bad things you do because there’s someone out there doing worse things at a greater scale, then I have addressed it multiple times with the analogy showing that’s not how ethics work. You haven’t addressed the analogy or shown how it’s different.
So tell me why don’t you just go around pushing kids over for fun?, there’s people out there doing way worse to a lot more kids.
Why shouldn’t you just litter and throw your trash in the river?, there are a lot of companies out there dumping way more into that river, your bag of trash is a drop in the bucket.
If you follow this logic of “theres a worse guy out there so my relatively minor transgressions are fine” then you just become a scumbag . Yeah, you’re not evil, but society would be a lot better without you.
Man I love how you guys put on the same level ‘pushing kids’ and eating meat.
And then you call me for having bad takes lmao
It’s ok my dude eat your beans, save the planet is thankful for your sacrifice.