Had this discussion with a friend today, because the Confederation of German Trade Unions (the umbrella-organization of all German Unions), which he works for, and lots of other workers-rights and left-wing organization, along with the Alliance for Peace are having an anti-war-day on September 1st in my region with concerts and demonstrations and stuff.
And some groups (but not all) from that alliance are having a public demonstration for a ceasefire in Gaza (which is good) and in Ukraine (which is bad) where they will criticize the German military help for Ukraine and demand peace with Russia by making Ukraine cede territory to Putin.
The “all war are bad and everyone must immediately stop” crowd has brain rot. They don’t understand that some people have no choice but go to war, because they are being invaded.
It probably aligns with the kind of thinking that can assume the MIC produces only defense and protection: under certain parameters they’re right but under others it can be quite naive.
The link between poor material conditions and crime is well-documented. Poverty often leads to desperation, which can increase the likelihood of criminal behavior. By improving material conditions—such as ensuring stable housing, affordable healthcare, efficient public transportation, and quality education—we can address the root causes of crime and create a more stable and law-abiding society. source
Take away the material need for war, and war ceases to become desirable.
This Russia affinity of the left is so rediculous in 2024 and shows how lost these people really are. It shows they are at least off by 4 decades or so when this stance would have made the tiniest bit of sense.
They act as if they are idiologically aligned but Russia has turned into a worse than capitalism system. When? In the last 40 years!
That’s what absolutely hits me, I do get these people. Before the Invasion of Ukraine in 2022, I’d be among the lot. I was calling for peace with Russia in the ongoing russo-ukrainian war that started with the invasion of Crimea in 2014.
I still wanted lower expenditure for the military, tighter economic bonds with Russia (which mostly meant german investment in Russia and import of russian natural gas), I was in favor of North Stream II and wanted to ensure peace through economic integration between the EU and Russia. The russian economy should simply rely so much on the european and vice-versa, that war between us or aggressive imperialism by Russia would simply be too expensive for them.
And while I (to this day) carry strong anti-american sentiments, they are grounded in my opposition to imperialism. The difference between them and me is that they will only ever see the West as the imperialists, while basically excusing everything Russia does.
And that I simply can not. I was… unsure about what to think about the russian invasion of Crimea, of course I absolutely detested it… but at the same time I hung on to my strongly pacifist tendencies and hoped that somehow the whole affair could still be settled peacefully.
But with the all-out invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Russia has shown that any lack of opposition will be taken as a sign of weakness by the imperial russian power and an invitation to commence aggression and subjugation. This is unacceptable and Russia can not be allowed to profit from the conflict it started, because that would only encourage further incursions, war and loss of lives in the future.
Had this discussion with a friend today, because the Confederation of German Trade Unions (the umbrella-organization of all German Unions), which he works for, and lots of other workers-rights and left-wing organization, along with the Alliance for Peace are having an anti-war-day on September 1st in my region with concerts and demonstrations and stuff.
And some groups (but not all) from that alliance are having a public demonstration for a ceasefire in Gaza (which is good) and in Ukraine (which is bad) where they will criticize the German military help for Ukraine and demand peace with Russia by making Ukraine cede territory to Putin.
The “all war are bad and everyone must immediately stop” crowd has brain rot. They don’t understand that some people have no choice but go to war, because they are being invaded.
It probably aligns with the kind of thinking that can assume the MIC produces only defense and protection: under certain parameters they’re right but under others it can be quite naive.
If all wars were stopped, how would they be invaded?
Because there will always be humans who don’t follow the rules and take what they want.
Take away the material need for war, and war ceases to become desirable.
Putin does not have poor material conditions. This is his fucking house:
And just wait until you see the Guest House that Xi Jinping stays at while visiting NK.
Oh, I get it, you’re thinking individually. I was thinking collectively. Maybe we should limit the ability for individuals to wage war.
Russia collectively is controlled by Putin individually. So we cannot morally condemn the defence of Ukraine without supporting War in general.
This Russia affinity of the left is so rediculous in 2024 and shows how lost these people really are. It shows they are at least off by 4 decades or so when this stance would have made the tiniest bit of sense.
They act as if they are idiologically aligned but Russia has turned into a worse than capitalism system. When? In the last 40 years!
I really don’t get these people. How can you not see the equivalency?
That’s what absolutely hits me, I do get these people. Before the Invasion of Ukraine in 2022, I’d be among the lot. I was calling for peace with Russia in the ongoing russo-ukrainian war that started with the invasion of Crimea in 2014.
I still wanted lower expenditure for the military, tighter economic bonds with Russia (which mostly meant german investment in Russia and import of russian natural gas), I was in favor of North Stream II and wanted to ensure peace through economic integration between the EU and Russia. The russian economy should simply rely so much on the european and vice-versa, that war between us or aggressive imperialism by Russia would simply be too expensive for them.
And while I (to this day) carry strong anti-american sentiments, they are grounded in my opposition to imperialism. The difference between them and me is that they will only ever see the West as the imperialists, while basically excusing everything Russia does.
And that I simply can not. I was… unsure about what to think about the russian invasion of Crimea, of course I absolutely detested it… but at the same time I hung on to my strongly pacifist tendencies and hoped that somehow the whole affair could still be settled peacefully.
But with the all-out invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Russia has shown that any lack of opposition will be taken as a sign of weakness by the imperial russian power and an invitation to commence aggression and subjugation. This is unacceptable and Russia can not be allowed to profit from the conflict it started, because that would only encourage further incursions, war and loss of lives in the future.
Oh gross, centrism is for the weak.
What centrism?
In 2022 my man, the war has been going on for more than 2 years already
Gah, how did that get in there? Thank you
I demand an immediate end to the war in Ukraine whereby Russia cedes even more land to Ukraine.