• Schlemmy@lemmy.ml
    761·
    6 days ago

    I would like to know how these politicians feel about being surveilled 24/7? Because they aren’t excluded.

    • baxster@sopuli.xyzOP
      75·
      6 days ago

      The European Ministry whants to exclude themselves and europeans intelligence agencies (europool) from the surveillance. The Ministry is the only instance that’s have talked about excluding.

        • baxster@sopuli.xyzOP
          4·
          6 days ago

          Looks that way I don’t understand how they are thinking. It is pretty obvious that they dont trust thorn or other lobbyists so they know the risks.

          Edited

          • eleitl@lemm.ee
            9·
            6 days ago

            They are quite simply corrupt. It doesn’t matter what they privately think. Corruption includes personal immunity, as long as you toe the line.

  • Hiro8811@lemmy.world
    14·
    6 days ago

    Then what’s the point of “encrypted messages”? And even if this passes I’m confident that Signal, Matrix, p2p and other similar privacy platform won’t comply. But hey if they do I’ll start sending encrypted files

    • evilcultist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      14·
      6 days ago

      The hilarity of all of this is that this week the US government started warning citizens to use these platforms now because even the backdoors that were created for law enforcement to monitor suspects have been compromised, and now the telephone networks are absolutely infested with foreign hackers and the cost and effort to get them out may be too high and take too long.

      • baxster@sopuli.xyzOP
        2·
        5 days ago

        Swedish FRA (like USA’s NSA) have done the same.

        But Swedish government doesn’t listen and whant to enforce laws like HDA (hack Swedish devices with 0days). Realtime AI face recognition on public places. Force services like social media, isp, Telecom companies and more to save all traffic for up to 2 years incase of criminal activity.

        Then we have Eu’s “going dark” project that aims on attacking encryption.

    • sushibowl@feddit.nl
      7·
      5 days ago

      The answer is forever. Even if chat control dies for good there will be some other initiative, just as there were many before this one. Maintaining your rights and freedoms unfortunately requires constant vigilance.

  • Txmyx
    101·
    5 days ago

    I will just host a matrix instance. Decentralization is the future.

    Also, why don’t they realize that avoiding chat control is soo easy. Unless it isn’t actually meant to prevent crimes

    Here is an interesting article on how stupid the chat control is. It’s in German, but probably easy to translate.

      • Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        5 days ago

        Hmm, that seems like a good start, but sadly pretty broad and incomplete. On the top of my head, I can recall an incident where Google automatically called the cops on a father, because he shared pictures of his child with a doctor. I also recall that in Germany, teachers can get in trouble currently, if they share images their pupils were sharing, with the parents to alert them. Furthermore, a scanner looking for certain triggers can be trivially circumvented by simply encrypting the images before sending them. All of those points seem to be missing from the website, which makes me question of those points I mentioned are really applicable or not.

        • baxster@sopuli.xyzOP
          1·
          5 days ago

          Yes you are absolutely right. I have talked about this in Swedish with friends and online “debates” that I simple password-protected zip file is all that is needed to bypass the whole idea of chatcontrol. And then you can safely share csam. If real criminals can use this simple trick, who is chatcontrol going to watch and flag for CSAM?

    • baxster@sopuli.xyzOP
      131·
      6 days ago

      As I understand it, it’s exactly like the online safety bill in the uk. but I’m not that well-read on online safety bill.