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That’s rich. “Send your future down the drain while we continue to send scraps.” tho even the scraps are gonna run dry soon. Fuck biden. He could have gone down in history as a truly great leader, got everything handed to him on a silver platter, but clearly, he wishes to walk in Chamberlin’s shoes.
Honestly I’m ashamed, especially as a European, we should be doing so much more. We haven’t learned anything from the great wars… We’re experiencing a “what if Czechoslovakia fought back” scenario, we can end it right there in Ukraine. But no…
How about sending artillery shells instead? If the US is running out of artillery shells it should invest in some production capacity since it’s critical for any large scale war, absolute no brainer.
artillery shells buy you attack power.
Soldiers buy you military might.
once Trump gets into power they will no longer get military attack from the US and they won’t have the time to drum up military might because Russia is doubling their attacks on Jan 6th.
I admit I’m super surprised that the conscription age is 25.
At 25 people actually have had chance to finish their education, maybe work a few years, experience real life outside school and be mostly formed individuals.
This is bad for attacking armys like the US and Russia, where brainwashing of teenagers makes it easier to get them to pull the trigger on defenseless people.
This is good for defending armys where people actually know what they fight for.
I would think it would be better for defending armies to have every able-bodied person fight the invaders. Less troops seems like a worse thing than more troops.
It is massively fucked but… they probably should.
This war is ending in March or April one way or another. Europe/NATO have committed to supporting Ukraine. The US is almost guaranteed to actively betray them. And you can bet the EU and the like are going to be consolidating resources in fear of whatever else comes up.
So Ukraine needs to win NOW. It is probably already too late to meaningfully train those conscripts but having a military force that can act in that small window of late January is basically their only hope.
Its actually kinda amazing they are doing so well with so limited a draft and how russia has had to call in north korea. I mean even if russia wins their method to to fuck up ukraine infrastructure so then at that point what have they won and they buried themselves in the process.
Even if Russia “wins” they are going to occupy a country that will fuck with them for a half century. They’ll have to genocide like Israel to actually win.
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At that rate you might as well let NATO serve the purpose it was created for. Even tho that will.probably spark a world war.
Honestly I’m all for it; then handing the keys to Trump lmao.
Or implement a No Fly Zone and fully commit NATO forces to air defense. See Putin squirm on what to do and how to react. Makes the Putin-Trump relationship tense. Trump backing down would be seen as weak. Putin wouldn’t retaliate because he wouldn’t risk losing his puppet.
“keep the Americans in, the Germans down, and the Russians out”
best thing for America is to prolong this war as long as possible.
The best thing would have been to fund Ukraine a lot early in and knock Russia down on the cheap. But you have a point thats probably the next best thing geopolitically. The red blooded american in me is just mad we didnt take the chance at an old enemy.
Some of the gear in Ukraine right now was literally created to fight the Soviet Union. Incredible that we didn’t send it all right away, one of the biggest defense blunders of this century, easily
Exactly. It’s like a vending machine, you throw in money, and dead Russian soldiers fall out from the bottom. All without endangering the lives of NATO soldiers. How many cold war US presidents would dream of this?
I am in no way minimizing the sacrifice and suffering of the Ukrainian people, but that is happening with or without Western support - the difference is the outcome, if we give them enough weapons, they can win and end the war.
In fact, Ukraine had the initiative a couple of times, but offensives are costly and then Congress decided that they will find as many excuses as possible to ensure no equipment was to be sent for a very long time.
And every time some museum pieces at piecemeal quantities were sent, it was usually through much fanfare.
So much was lost and so much was bled, and in the hour of need we broke our promises.
American goals in Ukraine are
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make Russia pay dearly for every inch of land they take in Ukraine
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use this opportunity to give a nice cash injection to our defense contractors
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gather as much intel & data on both Russia & the modern battlefield in general. Sort of like the Spanish Civil War before WW2. A playground to test out new technologies
These goals have already been accomplished. It’s been a great couple years in terms of hurting Russia for cheap.
We want to prolong this war as long as possible. A Ukrainian victory would be just as bad as a Ukrainian loss. It’s why we modulate our aid carefully. Like Chomsky was saying before his stroke - “we will fight them to the last Ukrainian”
I think a lot of people get blinded by propaganda in the moment. Even people who retroactively would be able to see it just fine (try and find someone who believes Iraq was a justified war) strongly believe the party lines.
Reality is American interests and Ukrainian interests are not aligned.
Ukraine deserves to exist and no bullshit you make up can deprive them of that right
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Also, bring back all the Ukrainian men living as expats abroad. If you want to use your Ukrainian passport to live in another country, it’s time to earn that right. Your country needs you.
Edit: if you’re downvoting at least say why, “I’m a Russian bot” will suffice. So will, “I’m a coward.”
What a very bizarre take. “The circumstances of my birth dictate that I should die lest I be labeled a coward by an anonymous internet user calling himself ‘phoneymouse’”
Sorry to all the downvoters for actually responding to this clown, part of me really wanted him downvoted into oblivion without explanation, but I think that’s how you make incels more incely so I figured the morally right thing to do is explain.
It’s not a bizarre take. If your home country is at war and needs soldiers, and you’re meanwhile living comfortably abroad somewhere else with your home country’s passport, that strikes me as cowardly.
Zelensky has already called on such people to help.
