These people sound like exact copies of the people saying voting in 2000 didn’t matter, and that turned out to be the most politically consequential of my lifetime. Gore was imperfect as they all are, but holy fuck did Dubya fuck up literally everything he touched.
Among many, many, many things, Dubya started forever wars killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. He accelerated oil and gas production, absolutely setting the Climate Change world on a pace for disaster. He seated Alito, unquestionably the biggest monster currently on the Supreme Court. And he passed a monster tax cut for the rich that set us on this path of unrestrained deficit spending.
And that’s just the headlines. Remember when he tried to put his personal lawyer on the Supreme Court? lol
Gen X already tried this 25 years ago and it fucked the world up so badly that we need to be saved by the future generations. Imagine not learning that lesson and doing it again.
What really gets my goat is how some people now act like George W Bush is this respectable elder statesman that only did his best and oh, how cute, he’s friends with Michelle Obama. Like, sure, next to Trump he looks like a political savant, but come on, he still was a total piece of shit that did lasting damage.
Americans have some serious Stockholm syndrome if they believe voting for any of these candidates makes a meaningful difference when they are both war mongering fascists. The status quo can not be changed by voting but by anti-government protests forcing the current system to collapse.
Besides Roe ended under Biden, not Trump. There have also been more deportations under Biden than under Trump so this vote Biden or else blackmail isn’t even based on facts. It’s like choosing between Himmler and Hitler.
Both sides bad mhhhhhkay?
Get the fuck outta here, One side wants to uphold democracy and the other wants to bea adictatorship cult. And most bad things happening under biden are the result of 4 years of trump.What democracy are you talking about? All I see is a war mongering oligarchy. The problem isn’t with the president, it’s with the US itself.
I couldnt even dumb myself down enough to explain this to you. Grow a brain fascist
Both sides are bad, yes. The fascists are far worse, of course, but it’s naive to think the DNC are some brave Democracy Defenders, when their sole interest is to uphold the rights and protections of Capital. Most of the bad things happening under Biden are actually because of Capitalism reaching an ever-later stage, Trump certainly made it worse but Biden isn’t making it better.
Should leftists vote for Biden to prevent Trump? 100%, abstaining from voting or voting third party is a spoiler vote in America and would result in fascists winning. Should liberals pretend that Leftists are the problem because leftists are understandably upset that they don’t have anyone to actually vote for, while liberals and fascists get to gleefully vote for their preferred candidates? Absolutely not.
Show me a functioning non capitalist society that is on the same or better level than the US, Germany, Finland, Spain, France… etc. i’ll wait.
Stop being delusional.What “level?” Development? Quality of Life? Wealth? Wealth drives development, and development drives quality of life. If I took Cuba, or even EZLN, and compared it with, say, Somalia, the non-Capitalist countries win on all 3 accounts. You can cherry pick if you want, but ultimately development is a process and takes time. Development is a stage, if Cuba became Capitalist today it wouldn’t be as developed as the US overnight, that’s silly.
Secondly, you’re assuming I want to replicate a currently existing country. That’s false. I want the US, Germany, Finland, Spain, and France, along with all other countries, to shift to collective ownership of the Means of Production. I don’t want to randomly reset a country to 0 progress and build up straight to Socialism, that’s absurd.
The very premise of your question is false, as you’re relying on a snapshot in history and not actually analyzing the mechanics of collective ownership. It’s an utter non-argument.
LMAO youre a tankie. No wonder youre delusional.
Have fun in your dreams.How exactly am I a tankie? The EZLN is a Libertarian Socialist collective, I explicitly mentioned it to provide multiple examples that only share the fact that they are leftist in structure. I’m in favor of Democratic ownership and operation of the Means of Production by and for the Workers, rather than having a bunch of petite dictators a la Capitalism.
Is the fact that you’re a landlord what drives you to be so immediately reactionary to anyone proposing we share ownership collectively?
I want the US, Germany, Finland, Spain, and France, along with all other countries, to shift to collective ownership of the Means of Production
i cannot capitalize LMAO further but i would.
LEMAO
You are so far removed from reality i cant even
First of all, your system is broken. Second, what is a Palestinian American supposed to do? Biden is literally providing the ammunition to kill their families. Trump isn’t any better, but that doesn’t mean voting for another genocidal maniac is a viable option.
You asking Palestinian/Muslim Americans to simply look past that is a very self centered perspective. You say then people will be deported and thrown into camps. That’s what Palestinians were fleeing from in the first place. They fled before, they’ll do it again if they have to. They’re living in diaspora anyway. So do the millions of other Muslim Americans who are here because of Western geopolitics.
You on the other hand who try to bully them into voting for Biden because it serves your purpose, have nowhere to go. If you want progress for your country and you consider Biden only the lesser evil. Instead of bullying fellow Americans into serving your purpose, why don’t you focus on your common goal instead? Respect their opinion, support their cause.
Join their protests against Biden, pressurize him into stopping the genocide, pressurize the DNC into sending someone else as their presidential candidate.
The only realistic options have the same result on foreign policy with Israel, so you’re not voting to influence that. The president is not just one policy, it’s their entire platform of policies that determines how the country runs for the next 4 years. It’s always better to choose the lesser of two evils than to allow the greater evil to have a greater chance to win.
Yeah that’s true. But the deal was always that Palestinian/Muslim voters accept that they are the victims of geopolitics and in return there’s at least some kind of support.
But with Biden giving Israel the opportunity to commit an outright genocide in front of the world, he has crossed a line. We have reached a point where a „both sides bad“ and „it’s complicated“ policy just doesn’t work anymore.
And what did Marx think about voting for the lesser evil:
Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.
Marx and Engels had proportional representation to work with instead of first past the post. This is exactly why the US needs proportional representation, at least for congress, to break the de-facto two party system.
