In short:
Joe Biden has formally apologised for the US’s role in running abusive Native American boarding schools for more than a century.
Mr Biden was heckled at the event in Arizona over his support for Israel’s war in Gaza.
What’s next?
Arizona is one of the seven battleground states in US election to be held on November 5, local time.
Mr Biden faced a brief interruption when a pro-Palestinian protester shouted: “How can you apologise for a genocide while committing a genocide in Palestine?”
Maybe in a 100 years a future president will say sorry for supplying Israel with the weapons to destroy Gaza. Because doing something when it matters most….
Can someone break it down like an ELI5?
I don’t really even get who the good guys or bad guys are. Like, Israel, Iran, Palestine, Gaza, Hamas…
Sounds like a 5+ way war to me, I just don’t get it. And WTF does the USA have to do with any of it?
Can’t people just live in peace?
Edit: I asked a legit question in peace. I was hoping for an ELI5 explanation comment or so, not downvotes without answers.
Sigh, guess I’ll never understand this bullshit.
Brief summary?
The Germans killed Jews. Jews, having been persecuted since forever, wanted a homeland to be safe. They wanted their old homeland that was occupied by Palestinians since before electricity, the Brits didn’t see a problem and helped establish Israel in the lands that the Jews claimed God gave them and the deed is in the sacred scrolls.
The Palestinians didn’t appreciate that.
Both sides push back against one another, the Jews had everybody who wasn’t Muslim backing them and that means all of the military support from the leading name in military tech, America. Israel treats Palestinians like freed slaves in late 1800s America, they all don’t belong and are probably up to something. Good old segregation and restricting of movements.
The Palestinians form “militaries” to fight back against Jewish colonizers. They have different names at times but the big one now is Hamas. They are constantly in these build-ups and attacks, which then Israel beats the everliving shit out of Hamas. Hamas, not being a formal military, exists within the Palestinian population. This means Palestine gets wrecked when Hamas does anything because Hamas=Palestine.
Everytime Palestine gets all assertive about keeping their lands, Israel stomps them and takes more land.
Lebanon and Iran supports Palestine existing and their fight against being slaughtered. Palestinians flee to neighboring Lebanon when Israel is off bombing everything again because it is safer than dodging tanks and bombs. Hamas also flees to Lebanon because their whole thing is not wanting to die so that they can fight later.
Clearly Lebanon is also Hamas, so they catch Jewish hands throwing brass knuckles they got from 'Murica because America doesn’t have any major wars going on and we just get off on violence and our Military Industrial Complex gets so fucking feral when they don’t have something to hate-fuck for profit and fun for any length of time greater than a few years.
Iran sticks up for their friends, you guessed it, they catch hands too.
So why can’t we have peace? People don’t like it when you kill people and the only moral genocide is their genocide, it says so right here in the scrolls and it is funded by American Taxes.
Thank you for the simplified complex breakdown.
Although I’m a USA citizen, I’ve never been in support of any wars.
There’s a LOT involved in those questions, but I’ll try to keep it brief. I’ll give a few sources, but if I start linking extensively this post is going to run very long. Just know there’s much more info that can be easily found from sources like the UN and humanitarian agencies like Amnesty International.
- Hamas (the government in Gaza and a terrorist organization) would happily wipe out Israel given the chance. Israel’s stated goal right now is to wipe out Hamas, but in reality they are killing a lot of Palestinians regardless of affiliation. For many years Israel + OPT (Occupied Palestinian Territories) has been an Israeli-governed apartheid state that oppresses Palestinians. So neither are good guys, although Hamas only has about 20-40k militants and it’s not definitely not fair to say the millions of Palestinians are all Hamas. In metrics like taking land, killing people, illegal taking of prisoners and abuse thereof, starvation, etc. Israel is many times worse in terms of numbers and has been for a long time (like well over a decade).
- Iran is involved because extremists want to destroy Israel for reasons like religion and reducing Western influence in the region. Iran also funds militias like Hezbollah that attack Israel.
- Peace is nearly impossible because of a long, long history of violence in that region. Also, to a certain extent this situation of hatred is actually the plan. Israel made sure Hamas got funding because Israeli leaders like Netanyahu found it convenient to have a “boogeyman” to fuel fear and keep Gaza and the West Bank divided.
- The last serious attempt at peace between Israel and Palestine was probably the Oslo Accords, but it was always controversial and didn’t work. Neither side kept 100% of their promises, and the Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by an Israeli because of the Oslo Accords. There was still some support for peace following that assassination, but in the end it didn’t materialize.
- The USA is involved because Israel is considered a long-term ally in the volatile Middle East region. Plus there’s a LOT of money going both ways. Plus there are a lot of Christians in the US (AFAIK mostly Evangelicals) who legitimately believe that Israel must conquer all land promised to them in the Bible in order for Jesus to return and they vote. Plus it’s huge business for industries like arms manufacturers. I’m also sure there are US voters who believe Israel is the moral choice, either because they don’t know the facts I’ve touched upon or choose to ignore/accept them.
Interesting. Very disappointing, but interesting to learn nonetheless.
Gunpowder wasn’t invented until the 10th century, and the letter J wasn’t invented until the 16th century.
I’m pretty sure that even if that Jesus fella did actually exist, it wasn’t spelled with a J. Either way, I’m also pretty sure that Jesus wasn’t a gun supporter, as they didn’t even exist back then.
Sigh, no wonder I’m not a religious person, religion seems to drive people crazy, expecting a 2000+ year old dead man to rise from the dead around Halloween and all…
Why do something now when in 100 years you can apologize and people will still vote for your party?
This reality is beyond parody.
Given Australia’s own apology over stolen generations, this event was reported very poorly by the ABC. This historic apology is not newsworthy because some heckler wanted to play whataboutism. It is newsworthy in its own right. Here is a far better article about the presidents apology and some next steps to address the restoration of language and culture as well as the repatriation of remains of children lost to their families:
https://apnews.com/article/indigenous-boarding-schools-biden-apology-reaction-666f5d55496a36bd0dc40a357714273eIt’s also disheartening to see that none of the comments in the thread so far are discussing the alienation and displacement of indigenous children, instead turning this moment into yet another thread about the Gaza conflict, with a dash of US election/politics thrown into the mix. Not to take anything away from the US election and the events in Gaza, but there are plenty of posts and threads discussing those matters already. Seeing this very important moment reduced into the setting for more of the same talking points feels very much like people aren’t pausing to reflect on those past wrongs. And I find that really sad.
Why the fuck does everyone suddenly want to bitch about the democrats supporting israel this close to an election. Its not like trump is any different.
This has been happening for over a year, it’s not sudden just now that there’s an election.
Its not like trump is any different.
That’s irrelevant. Just like Liberal and Labor here are both systematically supportive of the Zionist regime, just because one might prefer a party over the other doesn’t make them less worthy of criticism. No-one’s going to say ‘omg biden is complicit in genocide, im going to vote for trump instead!’, or ‘labor leadership have blood on their hands, hopefully the coalition will fix it!’ so I’m not sure what Trump has to do with this at all.
Ive just been seeing a lot more news article about it here (specifically in relation to bidan/harris) on lemmy and find a little sus the timing.
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