• alterforlett @lemmy.world
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              1 year ago

              Lad, we’re not making enough kids. Society is not sustainable with an aging population and less people to work. We are absolutely dependent on immigration.

              • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works
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                1 year ago

                No. We need less people. In general, there is no shortage of workers, there is just inefficiency, bad working conditions and bad pay.

                The fairytale of “worker shortage” was made up by employers that want to get away with paying nothing for work and treating their workers like shit.

                • Sodis@feddit.de
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                  1 year ago

                  If you want to shrink a population, you have to do it slowly while adapting the system to it. In a few years, with the boomer generation slowly retiring, Europe would be fucked without immigration. Too many retired people with not enough young people to care for them and uphold the economy at the same time. You can’t fix the resulting hole in manpower by only increasing efficiency. In Germany we are talking about a lack of 400k people per year.

  • starchylemming@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    what happened in turkey? how did they increase so heavily? didn’t large amounts of their population move to central europe in that same timeframe?

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      1 year ago

      Turkey has brain drain. The educated people are moving away. Those are usually the ones with smaller families.

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      1 year ago

      Which is just another reason why the aversion to immigration on display by such large parts of EU society at the moment is just so freaking dumb and counterproductive.

      • Sodis@feddit.de
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        1 year ago

        Well, let’s wait until the Boomers go into retirement and the economy really crashes, due to the lack of manpower. Maybe some people will change their view on immigration then.