• 0ddysseus@lemmy.world
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      Nope, its a vote to change the consimtitution to add a body which is for one racial group and then to decide its powers after its been created. Its undemocratic and racist

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          It is undemocratic and racist if the position is (edit: not!) filled by an elected person and it is based on the race of people. That’s like directly derived from the very definition of those words.

          It can still be morally correct though!

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            As opposed to what exactly, non humans?

            Your delineation of race is bigoted and frankly stupid. Also, morally incorrect.

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              My edit didn’t go through. It should read

              It is undemocratic and racist if the position is (edit: not!) filled by an elected person and it is based on the race of people.

              (I blame the federated nature of lemmy for that, but in the future I need to double check if any corrections do reach the intended server.)


              I am aware that some people think racism can only be done by white people or by the majority. My definition of racism is that it is action based on the race of people.

              I’m from Germany and quite frankly, I think the concept of race is indeed stupid. We got rid of that concept and its everyday use 75 years ago. But it is commonly used in the anglosphere (no doubt due to the big influence of the USA and it’s domestic problems with african-american citzens), so that’s the word I use in internet discourse as well.

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            You’re being a dolt. They’re there because of their quasi sovereign pre invasion nationality, you see it as color they see it as an attachment to the land.

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              Yes, that’s why I say it can still be morally correct to create this position in parliament. Quite frankly I think they should get more than just this one position. It boggles the mind how land can just be taken and the native population just ignores like this for centuries.

              But if it’s based on race it’s racist. That’s a fact. Unless you redefine racist to be only against minorities. Or only against non-white people. But for me racism is action based on the race of people.

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        This is completely false, but unfortunately that is the type of lie that has been spread and amplified by conservatives and their media, and caused a lot of uncertainty and fear in people.

        It is clear what the voice is going to be. It is clear what powers it will have. It is clear how it is going to work. Everything else is FUD.

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          What are you on about? How is it clear? if anything its deliberately unclear. Theres no framework, no restrictions, no indicationonf membership or how it will be chosen, no scope of any kind.

          How the fuck does that parse as “clear” in your mind?

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            1 year ago

            If it’s so unclear as you make it out to be, how can you be so certain that it will be all the bad things you’re harping on about in this thread?

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    The real reason it will fail is politics. The opposition party decided getting this voted down would strike a blow to the government.

    So they’ve just blown racist dog whistles, racist trumpets, set of racists cannons and doubled down on ignorance: “If you don’t know vote No”

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      They have effectively weaponised division.

      They created division by spreading lies, uncertainty and fear. Lies were repeated over and over, and became increasingly outrageous, despite being refuted again and again.

      Then they pointed at the division they created and said “this is too divisive, we shouldn’t do it.”