Everyone who wants non-political anything is a closet racist.
If that’s what you took away from this you’re an idiot.
If I’m an idiot, then why don’t you show me an example of wanting a non-political game for non-racist reasons?
Many people play games to escape reality. I dont feel like having current political bullshit in my games as i’m confronted with that day to day. Let me just fly around in spaceships or race cars or whatever.
I’ll play games with politics when I’m up for it.
I don’t understand this whole thing, is this something American?
Politics doesn’t have anything to do with the amount of effort it takes to play a game. You’re confusing two vastly different concepts. Ultimately what you are saying is that you want a game devoid of meaning, which you feel no obligation to understand or judge. That’s not politics, but it is interesting, because I have typically only heard the assertion that art should not have meaning from gamers and nazis.
Mate, what’s wrong about enjoying a puzzle game for instance? Games don’t necessarily need a meaning if the mechanics are fun. Art can have meaning, without being political. As long as something invokes emotions, it has meaning. I just don’t like how you said, that one is inherently racist when they don’t want politics in games.
I do enjoy games with fictional or even historical politics by the way, but sometimes it’s just nice to simply play a sports game. Real world politics are so heated at the moment, I really can’t deal with anything too close to reality. Nazis are on the rise again and it’s just so depressing. Some people are simply exhausted. Not fucking racists.
Oh, you don’t like the real world? That’s a political ideology, it’s called soulism. Look it up, it might appeal to you, since it sounds like you’re already a soulist.
Be that as it may, it’s possible for entertainment to be void of politics. You’re coming up with philosophies, not politics.
I mean, one of those is a reasonable ask.
It would be a reasonable ask in a world where no or only few non-political games exist. However, in our world, there are plenty of non-political games, and this criticism is usually directed at specific games that contain elements that don’t fit the critic’s political leanings. “I don’t want games featuring diverse characters or progressive messages” would in most cases be the more honest statement.
To me the real problem with political games is that a political game, to be enjoyable, has to be more good than political.
Disco Elysium is extremely political. It is also a very well written game. So I enjoyed playing it.
AAA studios tend to make a game with an LGBT character or a minority character and when people don’t like it, they blame representation. While people are actually mad at a game being a bad game.
Why do minority characters have to justify their existence in a AAA game? Diversity is not political, it’s a fact of life.
Everything like me is normal. Everything not like me is political!
There are
Two genders: male and political
Two races: white and political
Two orientations: straight and political
This is the single worst take in existence. I see it everywhere and it contributes nothing. There’s a difference between a game having politics in it and a game being political. A game with politics in it typically has a message with complexity and nuance and attempts to get people to ask questions by immersing them in an environment where philosophical ideas can be explored. A game that’s political typically has no message beyond “straight white men are inherently evil and cause all of the world’s problems”, and forgoes subtlety, nuance, and often even basic storytelling in favor of shouting that message in the viewer’s face as often and as loudly as it can, vainly attempting to tell its audience outright what the writer thinks they should believe no matter how much the end product’s quality suffers.
There are always people who will complain about black people, gay people and trans people being in a game at all. But don’t lump those people in with people who are simply sick of their entertainment trying to guilt-trip them into hating themselves for having physical traits they never asked for and can’t control, otherwise your message becomes this:
“There are
Many genders: The good ones, and male
Many races: The good ones, and white
Many orientations: The good ones, and straight”And that’s an opinion only possessed by those narcissistic enough to consider their own prejudices more justified than anyone else’s. I don’t want to hear any of that “prejudice plus power” nonsense. Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. And we all deserve better.
Name some of those games
I know you aren’t actually interested in hearing any more examples, so I’ll keep this short and name the example that comes right off the top of my head: Timespinner. Every bad guy is a straight white man and none of the characters considered sympathetic are more than one of those three things. And its writing is the worst thing about it.
If you’d care to show me some examples of games which are recent, western-made, high-budget, and have a white male protagonist who isn’t constantly getting put down by the game’s own narrative to prop up someone more politically correct, I’d genuinely love to hear them.
I’ve never heard of that game so I looked it up…do you mean the 8bit game released in 2018 that was made by a single person and got mixed reviews? I believe you that the story may have been obnoxious, but is that the best you’ve got?
I’m not sure why I have to come up with high-budget Western games if that’s your example and I’m struggling to even think of any recent games with a protagonist you couldn’t customize.
I looked through the a bunch of Western games from 2021-2024 and the only ones I saw with a fixed main character were:
GTA V (male)
Far Cry 6 (female)
Alan Wake (male)
Jedi Survivor (male)
Tell you what, I’ll concede that yes, that was an unfair thing to ask. I asked it specifically because those sorts of games are the ones that people complain about the most and I was feeling irritable that day. Instead, I’ll simply ask you to consider that, in the same vein, it’s equally unfair to demand specific examples of games being “political” (which, I will reiterate, is not the same thing as a game being about politics).
I believe this for two reasons. First, because bigoted sentiment doesn’t have to be overt to be noticeable - or, alternatively, game developers at least believe that to be the case, because if they didn’t, they wouldn’t feel the need to make public statements about microaggressions. Second, because when people notice something that they consider prejudiced against them or their way of life, due to the way cognitive dissonance works, their brain will have a tendency to block out that memory unless it’s something so exceptionally angering as to be worth ranting about online. Combined, these cause a situation where a person will eventually feel discriminated against at an institutional level, but will not be able to articulate why, because the only examples they can name are the especially bad ones that get dismissed as outliers (Spider-Man 2’s “no removing the pride flags” controversy, Suicide Squad’s female-on-male sexual harassment, Starfield’s “FUCKIN’ PRONOUNS”, etc.)
By now you’re probably already thinking, “yeah, that happens with racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia too, what’s the difference?” Which is a fair point. The difference is that when someone says those specific forms of bigotry are happening to them, people on the internet will typically take their word for it. When a straight white cisgender man says he’s being discriminated against, it gets dismissed as whining, or worse, as deserved on the grounds of “white privilege” or something else of that sort. I don’t even need to give examples of it, you can see it in this very thread. But what those people fail to understand is, anyone who bases their opinions on the belief that white people are inherently advantaged in society is, by definition, a white supremacist.
My post kind of trailed off, but my point is, I believe that the reason the “gamers are all a bunch of racist white boys” angle being spread online by the likes of Sweet Baby is offensive is not because it’s racist against white people (which it is, but that’s beside the point), but because, the longer you think about it, the more apparent it becomes that it’s even more racist against everyone else. It actively works to tear people apart instead of bringing them together, and actively works to undermine the agency of marginalized groups by encouraging them to think of themselves as outcasts or victims of society instead of members of it. No matter how you slice it, the so-called DEI agenda is anti-diversity, anti-equity, and anti-inclusion.
