Fair enough. That is a larger portion than I had realised. During the campaign I def thought that any Trump voter who wasn’t a wealthy white male was voting against their interests.
Trump’s not even good for wealthy white males, the demographic he best serves is poor white males who might reasonably get by on privilege if everyone else is fucked over enough
Realistically any “bring back manufacturing” plan can work it just takes a long time, even longer when you start making the world very economically uncertain.
But lets say John Deere decides to move some foreign component manufacture back to the us and builds a factory to do it in record time. They will not be building in downtown Manhattan, they will build in Deerdick Alabama because the land costs nothing and the local unskilled labor isnt spoiled for options so are unlikely to stand up to management or quit. If you can repeat that 100 times across the country in these poorer rural red states thats going to benefit his core greatly.
Realistically any “bring back manufacturing” plan canwork it just takes a long time
I thought I read somewhere that it really can’t, recently. The theory was basically that America “outgrew” being a manufacturing economy and grew into a service economy.
The way it was posed made it seem like even if the huge investment was made to build manufacturing in Deerdick, Alabama to take advantage of cheep land and unskilled labor, that won’t last. That serves as a stepping stone for advancement for each group that comes behind because those poor, unskilled locals with no options aren’t oppressed anymore.
As I understand it, that’s in large part because of the Cuban expat community, who are mainly a single issue demographic focused on “fuck the Castros”.
It’s worth mentioning at every chance that south Florida had a radically different Latino/Caribbean population than the rest of the states. Cubans, sure. But also larger representations of every south/central American country. The wealthy Latinos also flock there. They will snowbird there the same as New Yorkers or Canadians. Theres an older generation with much stronger ties to religion. All of this contributes little by little towards the Latino population leaning right in south florida.
An unreasonable number of black and hispanic voters voted republican because they have conservative values in regards to religion, LGBTQ people and the traditional role of women broadly, but also for just the weird narrative that’s been seeded into popular culture that anything left of “authoritarian tyrant” is going to squash religious freedom and the idea that Christianity is somehow under assault. They want things to stay consistent, old-fashioned and uncomplicated, most people do, and few people really think about it past that. Conservatism appeals to people who think their childhoods were better because of what the world was like, not what their limited perceptions were like.
Appeals to old-fashioned values resonated with people from catholic and deeply religious backgrounds, and this can encompass many ethnic minorities. Most asian families I know who are the very picture of kindness and hospitality also voted for Trump.
Not because they hate gays or women, but because they all work so much that the only news they get is from social media, which is flooded with right-wing propaganda and appeals to “working culture” and images of the “american dream” that many of them worked nearly to death to try to achieve. The algorithm downplays talk about immigration and all the talk that would sour particular groups against the right.
Our country is sabotaged and our people are being manipulated. The fact that so many people of color have to struggle non-stop, 7-days a week to get by really crushes their chances for educating themselves on civics, politics, or many other things. This is the same effect that was played on many white voters, but again, the right was very deliberate in targeting people by their ethnicity and background and finding the issues that appeal to the most dumb, insecure men of that community, who also happen to be the people with the loudest voices and thus most influence on their peers. We have to be able to call out the fact that abject idiocy and toxic hatefulness exists in every race and ethnicity, and that there are people out there with infinite pocketbooks who can play those people like fiddles.
It would be genius if it wasn’t undoing 30,000 years of progress in building a peaceful civilization.
Is this really a leopards at my face thing?
I’m aware that some Latinos voted for Trump, but surely that wasn’t “most” of them.
Harris won 56% of the Latino vote to Trumps 42%, but that was 14% more than previously.
Latinos who earned less than $50K voted 54% for Trump, as did those who make over $100K.
Trump also received over 50% of the male Latino vote.
Not most, but huge chunks voted for someone who said he’d target them, thinking they were “the good ones.” Completely forgetting his first term.
Fair enough. That is a larger portion than I had realised. During the campaign I def thought that any Trump voter who wasn’t a wealthy white male was voting against their interests.
Trump’s not even good for wealthy white males, the demographic he best serves is poor white males who might reasonably get by on privilege if everyone else is fucked over enough
Realistically any “bring back manufacturing” plan can work it just takes a long time, even longer when you start making the world very economically uncertain.
But lets say John Deere decides to move some foreign component manufacture back to the us and builds a factory to do it in record time. They will not be building in downtown Manhattan, they will build in Deerdick Alabama because the land costs nothing and the local unskilled labor isnt spoiled for options so are unlikely to stand up to management or quit. If you can repeat that 100 times across the country in these poorer rural red states thats going to benefit his core greatly.
It can’t work without a few hundred million immigrants, and we’re going in the opposite direction.
Theres only a “few hundred million” Americans.
Exactly. The population would basically need to double to be able to bring manufacturing back here.
I thought I read somewhere that it really can’t, recently. The theory was basically that America “outgrew” being a manufacturing economy and grew into a service economy.
The way it was posed made it seem like even if the huge investment was made to build manufacturing in Deerdick, Alabama to take advantage of cheep land and unskilled labor, that won’t last. That serves as a stepping stone for advancement for each group that comes behind because those poor, unskilled locals with no options aren’t oppressed anymore.
I would imagine a metric shit-ton of money got poured into the Latinos for Trump movement. It was very effective.
They certainly did in Florida, where the democrats pretty much completely pulled funding, thinking it was a lost cause.
As I understand it, that’s in large part because of the Cuban expat community, who are mainly a single issue demographic focused on “fuck the Castros”.
It’s worth mentioning at every chance that south Florida had a radically different Latino/Caribbean population than the rest of the states. Cubans, sure. But also larger representations of every south/central American country. The wealthy Latinos also flock there. They will snowbird there the same as New Yorkers or Canadians. Theres an older generation with much stronger ties to religion. All of this contributes little by little towards the Latino population leaning right in south florida.
An unreasonable number of black and hispanic voters voted republican because they have conservative values in regards to religion, LGBTQ people and the traditional role of women broadly, but also for just the weird narrative that’s been seeded into popular culture that anything left of “authoritarian tyrant” is going to squash religious freedom and the idea that Christianity is somehow under assault. They want things to stay consistent, old-fashioned and uncomplicated, most people do, and few people really think about it past that. Conservatism appeals to people who think their childhoods were better because of what the world was like, not what their limited perceptions were like.
Appeals to old-fashioned values resonated with people from catholic and deeply religious backgrounds, and this can encompass many ethnic minorities. Most asian families I know who are the very picture of kindness and hospitality also voted for Trump.
Not because they hate gays or women, but because they all work so much that the only news they get is from social media, which is flooded with right-wing propaganda and appeals to “working culture” and images of the “american dream” that many of them worked nearly to death to try to achieve. The algorithm downplays talk about immigration and all the talk that would sour particular groups against the right.
Our country is sabotaged and our people are being manipulated. The fact that so many people of color have to struggle non-stop, 7-days a week to get by really crushes their chances for educating themselves on civics, politics, or many other things. This is the same effect that was played on many white voters, but again, the right was very deliberate in targeting people by their ethnicity and background and finding the issues that appeal to the most dumb, insecure men of that community, who also happen to be the people with the loudest voices and thus most influence on their peers. We have to be able to call out the fact that abject idiocy and toxic hatefulness exists in every race and ethnicity, and that there are people out there with infinite pocketbooks who can play those people like fiddles.
It would be genius if it wasn’t undoing 30,000 years of progress in building a peaceful civilization.