Im always rather disappointed with this claim as doh, star trek is woke, it always was and nobody has complained about that part.
When people complain about the woke part they complain about that star trek WAS woke and intelligent, yet now just pretends to be woke and hangs it like dangling keys in front of us to hide the fact that it’s become so absolutely shit.
Seriously, every criticism I’ve seen about it (and also every criticism I’ve lobbed at it) always gets “rebuked” with “you just hate woke!”
No I don’t no we don’t. I’m love the progressivism of old trek. I hate nu trek because it’s empty vapid drek that just tries to cram a much “woke” in there not to be woke but just to hide the smell of shit.
Nu trek is awful.
People have been raving about brave new worlds but those same people were raving about the mental anguish that is discovery and cringe Picard. I’m a huge star trek fan, been so for 30 years, but after Picard S3 I simply stopped. I watched trek at least once a week for decades, buy I haven’t watched anything trek ever since Picard ended. That’s how off putting Picard was as a show.l, it managed to ruin TNG for me.
I know this will be down voted and people will just continue to say I am anti woke, that I love trumpmor whatever, even though none of that comes close to reality but nu trek fans have been… Different? Star trek fans were actually progressive and trying to make the world a better place. Ever since nu trek its been “think like us or fuck off”
I’m so done with star trek. Long live the Orville!
You like Orville but not Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks??? Also puzzling you gave up after Picard S3, that was the only decent part of the whole show. Felt like an extra season of TNG.
Haven’t watched strange new worlds. Everyone and their mother hyped discovery, and not only was it toe curling cringy bad, it was toxic. Had nothing to do with star trek.
Then there was Picard. Yay, the crew comes back toge… O wait. 3 godawful seasons where they managed to ruin Picard, then Q, then the entire TNG cast. The last season of Picard was based on a mind bogglingly dumb premise, characters were all different (as per usual in the Picard show). Watching Beverly go from risking her life and disobeying a direct order in order to save a victim to being a cold and efficient killernis just… Uugghh. The shape shifters have been turned into drek, manage to ruin that too, and well, the Borg was already castrated by Voyager, but that show at least still gave a damn. New trek does not.
After that Picard s3 I was done. No more. I used to watch trek at least once per week, haven’t watched anything anymore ever since Picard.
Now everyone is raving about strange new worlds, and I’m not going to do it. I watched the Orville instead and LOVE it, adore it, it’s the new star trek. Too bad it seems to have died an early dead, especially with Covid. Oh well.
If it wasn’t clear, the part about toxicity is about the fandom. Star Trek fandom has become quite toxic but quite in the opposite of what you’d think.
If you say that discovery is godawful (it is) then you’re immediately antieoke and *phobic
I’m neither. I just don’t want to watch a show that places virtue signalling above actually being a good show.
I also want a fandom that is honest enough to see that any post enterprise trek is NOT the same writing/acting/progressive quality as pre all that.
I’ve said this multiple times, on Reddit and Lemmy and so far most responses are “you’re a Nazi” or something in that direction
The Orville was really quite amazing coming from nowhere and you could see that it was made by people loving trek. It only took a few episodes to find its footing but it really represents star trek values better than nu trek does today. Discovery was just toxic and… Dumb? I stopped watching halfway through because it was just unbearable
Im always rather disappointed with this claim as doh, star trek is woke, it always was and nobody has complained about that part.
When people complain about the woke part they complain about that star trek WAS woke and intelligent, yet now just pretends to be woke and hangs it like dangling keys in front of us to hide the fact that it’s become so absolutely shit.
Seriously, every criticism I’ve seen about it (and also every criticism I’ve lobbed at it) always gets “rebuked” with “you just hate woke!”
No I don’t no we don’t. I’m love the progressivism of old trek. I hate nu trek because it’s empty vapid drek that just tries to cram a much “woke” in there not to be woke but just to hide the smell of shit.
Nu trek is awful.
People have been raving about brave new worlds but those same people were raving about the mental anguish that is discovery and cringe Picard. I’m a huge star trek fan, been so for 30 years, but after Picard S3 I simply stopped. I watched trek at least once a week for decades, buy I haven’t watched anything trek ever since Picard ended. That’s how off putting Picard was as a show.l, it managed to ruin TNG for me.
I know this will be down voted and people will just continue to say I am anti woke, that I love trumpmor whatever, even though none of that comes close to reality but nu trek fans have been… Different? Star trek fans were actually progressive and trying to make the world a better place. Ever since nu trek its been “think like us or fuck off”
I’m so done with star trek. Long live the Orville!
You didn’t mention the best modern Trek show.
The crossover episode with Strange New Worlds was my favorite episode of any Star Trek since TNG.
Same!
I like to think that 112 years later, Spock found out about Sisko’s trip and thought to himself, “Ah. That explains it.”
He must have been walking on eggshells all through Star Trek IV, just waiting for a riot to break out.
Nah, he was on too much LDS to care.
“Could taking these whales cause a riot? Humans are notoriously prone to illogical outbursts…”
You like Orville but not Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks??? Also puzzling you gave up after Picard S3, that was the only decent part of the whole show. Felt like an extra season of TNG.
Haven’t watched strange new worlds. Everyone and their mother hyped discovery, and not only was it toe curling cringy bad, it was toxic. Had nothing to do with star trek.
Then there was Picard. Yay, the crew comes back toge… O wait. 3 godawful seasons where they managed to ruin Picard, then Q, then the entire TNG cast. The last season of Picard was based on a mind bogglingly dumb premise, characters were all different (as per usual in the Picard show). Watching Beverly go from risking her life and disobeying a direct order in order to save a victim to being a cold and efficient killernis just… Uugghh. The shape shifters have been turned into drek, manage to ruin that too, and well, the Borg was already castrated by Voyager, but that show at least still gave a damn. New trek does not.
After that Picard s3 I was done. No more. I used to watch trek at least once per week, haven’t watched anything anymore ever since Picard.
Now everyone is raving about strange new worlds, and I’m not going to do it. I watched the Orville instead and LOVE it, adore it, it’s the new star trek. Too bad it seems to have died an early dead, especially with Covid. Oh well.
Eithe
I hear you, but that last bit is just heresy
If it wasn’t clear, the part about toxicity is about the fandom. Star Trek fandom has become quite toxic but quite in the opposite of what you’d think.
If you say that discovery is godawful (it is) then you’re immediately antieoke and *phobic
I’m neither. I just don’t want to watch a show that places virtue signalling above actually being a good show.
I also want a fandom that is honest enough to see that any post enterprise trek is NOT the same writing/acting/progressive quality as pre all that.
I’ve said this multiple times, on Reddit and Lemmy and so far most responses are “you’re a Nazi” or something in that direction
Oh no, I agree with that part. But Star Trek overall is still better than The Orville. Lower Decks is real and it is delightful.
The Orville was really quite amazing coming from nowhere and you could see that it was made by people loving trek. It only took a few episodes to find its footing but it really represents star trek values better than nu trek does today. Discovery was just toxic and… Dumb? I stopped watching halfway through because it was just unbearable